Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXV

[Darth_Shiveman]

Sorry guys, didn't mean to bruin the thread

 

[ionaVOL]

Just to clarify

You think it's lawful for a law enforcement officer to notify someone connected to the accused that their place of living is going to be searched?


I would bet my house that law enforcement agents aren't allowed to share such details with anyone much less someone connected to the accused

How the hell do you get from that article to stating the bolded as fact?!! YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THEY TALKED ABOUT ON THE PHONE STOP MAKING ASSUMPTIONS!

 

[BruinVol]

How the hell do you get from that article to stating the bolded as fact?!! YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THEY TALKED ABOUT ON THE PHONE STOP MAKING ASSUMPTIONS!

I don't but that's been the hypothetical we have been discussing.

That's exactly what will be argued in the lawsuit I am sure

 

[drylo]

Just to clarify

You think it's lawful for a law enforcement officer to notify someone connected to the accused that their place of living is going to be searched?


I would bet my house that law enforcement agents aren't allowed to share such details with anyone much less someone connected to the accused

I'd be careful if I were you. Hope you don't have a nice house.

 

[UGADawg4Life]

I bet he won't be contemplating another visit to UT when we kill UGA in Athens this year. He knows exactly what he wants to do two years in advance, much like Hunter Johnson did.

Pittman is going to get his linemen. And with Eason on campus and the running backs we have, I think he'll be successful. Don't know if it will equate to championships or not......too early to tell. But I think Smart is laying the foundation for something special in Athens. He's a very bright guy with some coaching skills.

 

[butchna]

Just to clarify

You think it's lawful for a law enforcement officer to notify someone connected to the accused that their place of living is going to be searched?


I would bet my house that law enforcement agents aren't allowed to share such details with anyone much less someone connected to the accused

Just wish you would share the law that they're violating...now if they escorted Butch to the (alleged) crime scene and past the tape and left him alone? That's tangible. You're one participle away from accusing Butch of calling Johnson and Williams and advising them to ditch everything exculpatory. That would ring a little paranoid and delusional. And THAT'S not you! :lol:

 

[BruinVol]

Just wish you would share the law that they're violating...now if they escorted Butch to the (alleged) crime scene and past the tape and left him alone? That's tangible. You're one participle away from accusing Butch of calling Johnson and Williams and advising them to ditch everything exculpatory. That would ring a little paranoid and delusional. And THAT'S not you! :lol:

So no answer huh?

 

[butchna]

I don't but that's been the hypothetical we have been discussing.

That's exactly what will be argued in the lawsuit I am sure

As long as they don't splice anything "ridiculous" like shoehorning in a twenty year alleged incident with one of our former players...or naming a rapper whose song we use on 3rd down defensive situations. Wouldn't want them to get RIDICULOUS! :w00t:

 

[VolGee4]

Could it not have just taken a while to get a search warrant? I don't see what the big deal is. Police calls coach to give him a heads up that one of his players has been accused of something and coach calls the player and everyone else he can to find out as much info about the situation as possible. Seems like standard protocol to me. It's not like the police said hey coach AJ raped a girl and we are gonna give you some time to go over there and wash his sheets for him before we come search the place. They still found weed and a condom or something didn't they when they searched so it's not like the police called them for a heads up.

Yep, I would guess it is very common. I have heard of stories in Gainesville where the police would just call coaches and send the kids home instead of arresting them for minor offenses. I believe there was some criticism a couple of years back about the police contacting Travis Ford, the basketball coach at Okie State, and he talked to his players first. He was just fired for losing, not for that. I believe this happens all of the time.

 

[butchna]

So no answer huh?

You first...you haven't answered anything I've politely asked. Like what LAW was violated. If no LAW was violated, how is it not lawful? Becoming fearful that you're dancing around and I have a feeling that's a horrible thing. :yuck:

 

[MockingVol]

Pittman is going to get his linemen. And with Eason on campus and the running backs we have, I think he'll be successful. Don't know if it will equate to championships or not......too early to tell. But I think Smart is laying the foundation for something special in Athens. He's a very bright guy with some coaching skills.

How. How do you know this? Did I miss the years where he was a headcoach?

He made some pretty good staff hires, but you have absolutely nothing to go off of for him being a skillful head coach. Good recruiter? Yeah, as a new guy and with that Bama pedigree he is killing it atm, but that is all.

 

[UGADawg4Life]

How can you have a great staff when your HC has never coached a game or lead a team in his life? Lol, have fun getting boat raced in Athens this year.

Saban had his rookie year. So did Jones. So did every HC in all of football. No one knows what Smart will do. But, as a UGA fan, you have to love what he's done so far in recruiting and hiring Chaney and Pittman. He grew up around coaching with his dad, and was a very intelligent player while at UGA. Couple that with his Bama experience and his connections with HS coaches in the state of GA and I think the prospects for success are pretty good.

UGA will have a pretty stout defense this year. Should be among the best in the SEC. And could be the SEC dark horse on offense. I'm not sure about any boat race in Athens. Might happen. Might not.

 

[UGADawg4Life]

How. How do you know this? Did I miss the years where he was a headcoach?

He made some pretty good staff hires, but you have absolutely nothing to go off of for him being a skillful head coach. Good recruiter? Yeah, as a new guy and with that Bama pedigree he is killing it atm, but that is all.

How do I know he has coaching skills? We'll, he led Bama's defense to 4 NC's. What's on Jones' resume that equals that? Nick Saban, a name you might know, says that Smart is one of the brightest young minds in CFB and will be successful. You might know better than coach Saban. But I'm going with his judgement for now.

 

[BruinVol]

You first...you haven't answered anything I've politely asked. Like what LAW was violated. Becoming fearful that you're dancing around and I have a feeling that's a horrible thing. :yuck:

Lol

I am on the record saying that a policemen sharing inside info about a case with the accused is at least a fireable offense and also some violation of obstruction of justice laws. I don't have a specific law number

Again you are saying it's within a cops right to share info however he wants with those connected to the accused?

Yes or no?

 

[VolGee4]

All we have is the same assertion about franklin

I would bet neither told anyone to destroy evidence

I don't think butch did anything wrong

I think the police did and this will hurt the lawsuit greatly

Bruin, first, the police aren't doing anything "unlawful." It would just be stupid alerting someone because it could compromise their case.

Second, the civil case is against UT, not the Knoxville Police Department. Anything the police department did or didn't do will not effect the lawsuit. The lawsuit is alleging actions by the school. Title IX has to do with an educational institution.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

All we have is the same assertion about franklin

I would bet neither told anyone to destroy evidence

I don't think butch did anything wrong

I think the police did and this will hurt the lawsuit greatly

It depends. The lawsuit is about the school and its internal investigations/dealings with these cases.

If KPD bungles their investigation, that's on them.

 

[butchna]

Lol

I am on the record saying that a policemen sharing inside info about a case with the accused is at least a fireable offense and also some violation of obstruction of justice laws. I don't have a specific law number

Again you are saying it's within a cops right to share info however he wants with those connected to the accused?

Yes or no?

Yes :wavey: Bonus, how do you "obstruct justice" if you're the investigating party?

 

[BruinVol]

It would just be stupid alerting someone because it could compromise their case.

Exactly my point and the point made in the article.

That's why the article was worth reading

 

[butchna]

It depends. The lawsuit is about the school and its internal investigations/dealings with these cases.

If KPD bungles their investigation, that's on them.

^This

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Just to clarify

You think it's lawful for a law enforcement officer to notify someone connected to the accused that their place of living is going to be searched?


I would bet my house that law enforcement agents aren't allowed to share such details with anyone much less someone connected to the accused

Unethical? Yeah.


I'm not sure if it's illegal though.

 

[MockingVol]

Lol

I am on the record saying that a policemen sharing inside info about a case with the accused is at least a fireable offense and also some violation of obstruction of justice laws. I don't have a specific law number

Again you are saying it's within a cops right to share info however he wants with those connected to the accused?

Yes or no?

Oh, he shared information about what happened? I must have read the wrong report because all it mentioned was that the officer TOLD CBJ THAT AN INCIDENT HAD HAPPENED.

No specifics where shared and as CBJ is these players' closest guardian it seems sensible to tell said guardian that something is coming down the pipe.

 

[butchna]

Exactly my point and the point made in the article.

That's why the article was worth reading

It was trash...like it's readers.

 

[BruinVol]

It depends. The lawsuit is about the school and its internal investigations/dealings with these cases.

If KPD bungles their investigation, that's on them.

And if the KPD and the university are working together to protect their athletes?


Recall how much hell FSU caught here for just that?

 

[VolGee4]

Lol

I am on the record saying that a policemen sharing inside info about a case with the accused is at least a fireable offense and also some violation of obstruction of justice laws. I don't have a specific law number

Again you are saying it's within a cops right to share info however he wants with those connected to the accused?

Yes or no?

As usual, you are thinking too much. Even if a police officer provided some information, any person who acted on that information could be committing a crime. The police can't obstruct justice because they are the ones doing the investigation.

 

[butchna]

Oh, he shared information about what happened? I must have read the wrong report because all it mentioned was that the officer TOLD CBJ THAT AN INCIDENT HAD HAPPENED.

No specifics where shared and as CBJ is these players' closest guardian it seems sensible to tell said guardian that something is coming down the pipe.

^Even MORE this. :thumbsup: