Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXX

[theutvolunteers]

It's a losing battle. They take speculation on anything controversial and make it out to be fact.

Such as Butch not taking responsibility for the underachievement?

 

[Dust10]

Here's what I think about 9-4 seasons.

Our all-time record is 819-364-53, which is a .679 winning percentage. If we go 9-4 our winning percentage for the season is .692.

Seems 9-4 seasons should be our baseline expectation, all things considered. Do better than that and it's a good season. Do worse and it's bad. Go 9-4 and it's pretty much average.

How much did Dooley jack up our average I wonder? Too much effort to do the math, lol.

 

[BruinVol]

Such as Butch not taking responsibility for the underachievement?

Here we go again.

 

[Ericvol2096]

Here's what I think about 9-4 seasons.

Our all-time record is 819-364-53, which is a .679 winning percentage. If we go 9-4 our winning percentage for the season is .692.

Seems 9-4 seasons should be our baseline expectation, all things considered. Do better than that and it's a good season. Do worse and it's bad. Go 9-4 and it's pretty much average.

About right, issue with this year is it seemed like a logical yr and good opportunity to have one of those good to great seasons and we let it slip away.

That's why we are all pissed still but may not ready to fire the coach.

 

[theutvolunteers]

Here we go again.

Read it wrong

 

[BruinVol]

Read it wrong

Sorry for the friendly fire.

 

[fearsvols]

How much did Dooley jack up our average I wonder? Too much effort to do the math, lol.

As much as you would think the stats are inflated because of the Dooley years you also have the Manning/Martin years on the other end of the spectrum. Football has changed tremendously over the last 10 years. Unless you can find that dynamic once in a generation type coach, 9 to 10 win seasons should be considered a success. 7 on 7 football along with camps has evened out the playing field. You still have your elite top 25 recruits, after that I'm not so sure there's a dropoff between the next 400 recruits.The Vandy we played this year would have destroyed the Vandy of the 80s and 90s

 

[VolsnCards5]

Snooping around I ended up on PFF page to see where DB projects.

For a good laugh scroll down to Tabor, the only one with any kind of "highlight".

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-top-32-prospects-2017-nfl/

Where is Dobbs at?

 

[Ace]

was osu playing clemson when woody hit that kid?

yes, I was watching that game on tv

Enjoy!! 1978 Gator Bowl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEVJyf0ft3I

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

You know you can just edit it...without justification. :good!:

Windows phone issue...I can quote now, but still will not let me edit. For a long time I couldn't even use quite till Freak fixed it...I have told y'all this about 50 times.

 

[jave36]

I don't think PSU was ranked when he beat them.

So if a team starts the year unranked and only loses one game early, the team that beat them doesn't get credit for beating a ranked team because preseason polls didn't realize how good that team was?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Sí

That's gonna be Hairbow someday if he doesn't chill out..he is a few bricks shy..

 

[VolGee4]

So if a team starts the year unranked and only loses one game early, the team that beat them doesn't get credit for beating a ranked team because preseason polls didn't realize how good that team was?

If that's the case, then Butch had a top 4 win with a far inferior roster. USC ended up #4 that year and just like Pitt with PSU, we took away a chance at a possible national championship.

 

[The Breakerboy]

It just seems that outside of DK and JRM, nobody at that position is very good. Sapp went down and we didn't get to see much, but that position groups needs massive improvement

2 LBs that quite frankly are just naturals at the position. Didn't see any improvement year to year. All I watched were good football players making plays.

 

[The Breakerboy]

Anybody think Strip will retire?

I hope so

 

[butchna]

I hope so

Stool softener might help.

 

[Maxwell]

Here's what I think about 9-4 seasons.

Our all-time record is 819-364-53, which is a .679 winning percentage. If we go 9-4 our winning percentage for the season is .692.

Seems 9-4 seasons should be our baseline expectation, all things considered. Do better than that and it's a good season. Do worse and it's bad. Go 9-4 and it's pretty much average.

I agree with this. 9-4 is better than our average. I can live with it even though expectations were not met. I could live with 8-5 if the expectations had not been so high, the East so weak, and unreal losses to South Carolina and Vandy. Bottom line is this team still had unacceptable losses and missed a great opportunity to win the East though. Changes still need to be made.

 

[Maxwell]

So if a team starts the year unranked and only loses one game early, the team that beat them doesn't get credit for beating a ranked team because preseason polls didn't realize how good that team was?

The way I understand it your statement is correct. It is not where the team finishes but where they are ranked at the time you actually play them. The way stats are these days and with all the computers being used to track everything, the other way makes as much since, and somebody somewhere probably has that data.

 

[jave36]

If that's the case, then Butch had a top 4 win with a far inferior roster. USC ended up #4 that year and just like Pitt with PSU, we took away a chance at a possible national championship.

Which is exactly the what I said, Butch has 1 top 10 win and Peterman has 2. If you want to get technical, Peterman has 2 top 5 wins.

 

[jave36]

The way I understand it your statement is correct. It is not where the team finishes but where they are ranked at the time you actually play them. The way stats are these days and with all the computers being used to track everything, the other way makes as much since, and somebody somewhere probably has that data.

My point is, for giving credit for the significance of a win, beating the preseason #1 team deserves no credit if that team goes on to lose every single game. And beating an unranked team deserves a lot of credit if that team finishes the year with 1 loss and ranked in the top 10.

What they're ranked at the time you play them is 100% irrelevant.

 

[volfanCLT]

It'll be nice to have some young Vols in the NFL to pull for the next few years.

It's been way too long.

 

[volinbama256]

2 LBs that quite frankly are just naturals at the position. Didn't see any improvement year to year. All I watched were good football players making plays.

So what do we have to work with for next season? Kirkland is a given, but after him we have Sapp, Bituli, Bryant, Berry, McDowell, Jumper, and oh yeah, I forgot, Bates.... SMH
I noticed we have a player named Dajour Maddox on the roster that is a RS Freshman LB that looks like a pretty good athlete based on his high school stats... maybe he will be our next Jumper or better?
We have Ignont, Page, and Bembry coming in, but would not look for them to contribute at freshman except maybe an outside chance of Ignont.
Will be interesting how the depth chart shakes out at this position for next year.

 

[volinbama256]

It'll be nice to have some young Vols in the NFL to pull for the next few years.

It's been way too long.

What the heck!? Haven't you been pulling for Palardy??

 

[Daloth]

What the heck!? Haven't you been pulling for Palardy??

Rivera, any lineman, Patterson, we've had a few recently really. But it depends where "young" stops at.

 

[jave36]

Rivera, any lineman, Patterson, we've had a few recently really. But it depends where "young" stops at.

Patterson has started contributing, looks like he's finally getting the hang of doing more than returns and jet sweeps.