Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXI

[BruinVol]

I actually don't disagree with much of this. However, while law and morality aren't quite the same, I believe following the law is a part of having good morals. Morality involves good behavior, and breaking the law is not good behavior. We have laws in order to have a civil society.

Well dang that slapped my last post right in the gut.

 

[loggervol]

How bad of a headache does it give you the next day?

If not I am about to cross over to the other side because the hangovers damn sure hurt worse than they used to.

Yes, and cornbread and ice tea's took the place of pills and 90 proof.

 

[MrVolton]

The isssue is old guard vs new. Power play. Politics.

I'm assuming the old guard is pro Blackburn. Who does the new guard want?

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

It's against the law in most states. I was always taught to follow the law. Your argument is so old.

Laws don't always equal morality. Plenty of people still alive who remember when it was against the law for them to use the nice bathrooms or sit up front on the bus.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Here's the rub.

I have no problem with weed. As far as I'm concerned it's no different from alcohol which I also have no problem with in moderation.

I however have a great career that prohibits its use therefore I don't use it. The NFL has it as a banned substance therefore college teams should also to prepare them for the next level.

It's not about morality. It's about law and rules. You want to smoke weed, find a job that accepts it.

I agree with this mostly, with the caveat that most current players know 20 years from now the policies will be changes

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

How bad of a headache does it give you the next day?

If not I am about to cross over to the other side because the hangovers damn sure hurt worse than they used to.

No headaches or hangovers.

Kind of a general grogginess if you do a lot of it before sleep though.

 

[mccrackb]

Hopefully the end of you posting in the recruiting forum as well

Had you on ignore but can only hope

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I actually don't disagree with much of this. However, while law and morality aren't quite the same, I believe following the law is a part of having good morals. Morality involves good behavior, and breaking the law is not good behavior. We have laws in order to have a civil society.

It's all subjective though. Most people break all kinds of laws every day. And different laws serve different purposes. Some keep society safe (drunk driving laws, murder laws, etc), some make sure government can function properly (tax laws and the like), and some are antiquated attempts at legislating morality (weed laws).

Do you always drive the speed limit? Doubt it.
Did you never drink alcohol before you were 21? Doubt it.
Jaywalking? People do it all the time.


It's just not black and white. Many laws lose meaning when society collectively decides they're not useful. That's happened with weed laws to a certain extent in large segments of the country.

 

[MrVolton]

Marijuana is no more harmful than alcohol, in fact alcohol seems to be more harmful than marijuana according to a number of criteria. Both cause greater cognitive harm to younger users.

 

[MrVolton]

...and if they were worth their salt, they would still be coaching in the NFL. Just saying......

This logic apply to Saban as well?

 

[SSVol]

Did you actually compare marijuana laws to Jim Crow?

Careful with open flames boys. If all these straw men catch fire, it's likely burn VN to the ground.

 

[drvenner]

If true then 2017 is the end for butch

You honestly believe that the QB coach hire is going to determine if Butch coaches our team in 2018? I get that you think it is a terrible hire; that is not surprising at all, since you think everything that CBJ does is terrible, but why do you think that will determine the outcome of our season?

 

[drvenner]

If this is true, then it truly shows that Alabama just doesn't care. I know that drug policies are implemented by each school. But if he were at UT and had "many failed drug tests," then he would have gone the way of Danny O'Brien. Just not a level playing field.

I honestly think that Coach Saban does not care about marijuana. I believe he thinks it is very minor in terms of a violation, believes it has no long-term adverse effects and uses his influence to ensure that his important players don't get into too much trouble for doing it. I don't think he feels that way about PEDs or more harmful drugs like cocaine or heroin.

 

[VOL-uh-tile]

Marijuana is no more harmful than alcohol, in fact alcohol seems to be more harmful than marijuana according to a number of criteria. Both cause greater cognitive harm to younger users.

Football causes more cognitive damage than probably anything.

 

[drvenner]

Most here don't understand the drug testing policy's of most schools and that article doesn't mean Alabama is doing anything differently.

Most schools have a policy that the first offense is virtually nothing and the second might include missed playing time BUT the trick is that is for each year. A senior could fail his fourth drug test and never miss playing time.

I don't think it resets each year. I think most schools have a formal four strikes and you're out policy, with escalating penalties for each offense after the first one. I tend to think most coaches look the other way on marijuana as much as they can. I just think Saban and the university administration are in bed together on this one that they are either going to ensure that certain players don't get tested or that the results will be falsified, somehow. Or, they just don't release the results and let them keep right on.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Y'all just give me a holler when you've finished up this discussion. I'll be waiting for the football

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I wish they would just end the hypocrisy and legalize it. But I do believe if you drive while on it you deserve to be burnt to the ground. It would free up billions in court cost and incarceration costs, and add tax revenue. It would go from a massive loss, to a massive gain. I don't believe you should use marijuana recreationally, but that is your business, not mine.

 

[drvenner]

Tennessee's policy is actually 3 strikes and you're out. On a second positive for a narcotic substance or 1st positive for PED, you miss at least 10% of the games, with the third positive being a permanent suspension from participation and possibly loss of scholarship. Everyone is supposed to be tested at the pre-participation physical and then random athletes are tested throughout the year. I have no idea how well this policy is enforced, as I have heard former players say it usually takes significantly more than three failed tests.

 

[Maxwell]

Things have gotten more tense. Actually the word probably is frustrating.

The majority still want DB and are becoming impatient.

It is getting comical.

Well, it would be comical...if it wasn't so serious.

 

[SmokinBob]

Thread in the FF says OrangeHammer passed away yesterday. Was only 34. They don't have details yet.


RIP OH

Oh no. RIP

 

[SergeantVol]

This logic apply to Saban as well?

Yes. Saban was a horrible NFL coach.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Did you actually compare marijuana laws to Jim Crow?

Careful with open flames boys. If all these straw men catch fire, it's likely burn VN to the ground.

Either you missed my point, or you're (ironically) building your own straw man.


The point I was making was that something being illegal doesn't make it immoral.

 

[The Breakerboy]

I wanna watch good football, not get warm fuzzies about our coach being a swell guy who doesn't put up with kids who smoke a little reefer

We hardly had any drug dismissals under Fulmer when we were a perennial powerhouse. 😎😎😎😎😎

 

[Go Fight Win]

Mahoney's out

 

[Vols B]

Siap, but Scott in?