Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXI

[Maxwell]

Mahoney's out

Wells taking over?

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Mahoney's out

Thanks for your work coach :hi:

Now, let's get better

 

[aRmo]

That UGA staff has 4 or 5 times the NFL experience the Vols staff has. Ed O + LSU is a bit of a perfect storm in regards to recruiting. On the field results remain to be seen for both.

GA staff has upgraded their bagboy program. GA isn't gonna be good anytime soon.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Mahoney's out

GFW is Mahoney...Mahoney is GFW?

 

[voldawgforever]

Mahoney's out

At 3:45 am?

 

[RikidyBones]

At 3:45 am?

What else do you do at such an hour?

 

[Rishvol]

What else do you do at such an hour?

Get excited that we're finally getting a bail out WR in JJ

 

[KokoBVol]

Mahoney's out

Boom?

 

[Volinnooga]

So it is "histrionics" to point out that UT is now reduced to stealing recruits from WKU and hoping that Bama doesn't want a kid?

I've been watching this a very long time. There are no histrionics... but there is "history". I've seen this in UT recruiting before. UT is getting 3* caliber players, 4* players with academic questions, and then a few really solid recruits.

You can engage in histrionics all you like... but this type of recruiting is not how you compete with UF, UGA, Bama, LSU, Auburn, et al.


The truth really annoys folks who would rather ignore unpleasant things....

I am a UT fan. I am NOT yet a Jones fan because I am unimpressed with the results he's produced though he deserves credit for raising the talent level of the roster. The problem is that recruiting is now falling off... and we have no evidence that he can "coach'em up" and compete in the SEC.

We get you want to let Butch go. Who is your replacement?

 

[Magic8Vol]

If true then who are the likely candidates to replace him. Wonder if he left or was told to leave? If he saw the writing on the wall and left then we may still have a shot with Etienne. But if he was told to leave then it seems unlikely that butch would send him to visit a recruit only to fire him when he gets back if he thought we had a good chance of signing the kid.

 

[nashvol1]

No need to replace yet.

We all agree that the class has been less than expected. Still time to improve. Who are the 4 stars with academic issues? Think I only saw 1.

The major difference between Butch and Dooley is line of scrimmage, QB, and speed recruiting on D. Dooley was an epic fail in these areas. We might have an O line in 2018 with 3 5 five stars and 2 4 stars. We have 3 top 10 QBs on the roster. This is a LOS and QB league. Do those two things well and you will win a lot of games.

Next year sets up great especially in state with Mays, Taylor in the fold to drive recruiting. We could have 7 or 8 in state 4 stars and we all know the draft will help greatly in showing our ability to put players in the league. And we are expected to upgrade our staff in critical areas.

 

[drvenner]

What else do you do at such an hour?

Do you really want to know the answer to that question?

 

[butchna]

Mahoney's out

You had to buy drinks,amirite? :shades:

 

[VolGee4]

It's all subjective though. Most people break all kinds of laws every day. And different laws serve different purposes. Some keep society safe (drunk driving laws, murder laws, etc), some make sure government can function properly (tax laws and the like), and some are antiquated attempts at legislating morality (weed laws).

Do you always drive the speed limit? Doubt it.
Did you never drink alcohol before you were 21? Doubt it.
Jaywalking? People do it all the time.


It's just not black and white. Many laws lose meaning when society collectively decides they're not useful. That's happened with weed laws to a certain extent in large segments of the country.

Not sure how any of this proves your point. It's pretty simple- if you believe in it so much, you move to those states where legislatures have legalized it. They would truly be representing your stance on the issue.

I may not agree with the speed limit on a street, but the moral thing to do is follow the speed. I may have had some alcohol before 21, but it doesn't mean it was right. It wasn't the law abiding, moral thing to do. That doesn't change my argument one bit.

This is just an old argument. If states want to vote in legislators who are willing to change it, then good for them. But for the time being, civilized countries have laws to follow. Otherwise, they would be anything but civil. Let's move on.

 

[BondJamesBond]

So it is "histrionics" to point out that UT is now reduced to stealing recruits from WKU and hoping that Bama doesn't want a kid?

Yes, it is hystrionics. Moreover, it is not true. To imply, as you did, that we never win a recruiting battle is simply not true. To imply, as you did, that we only get players no D1 program wants is not true. I imagine you know that. I imagine acknowledging that twarts your rant before it starts. So I understand why you don't acknowledge it.

 

[nashvol1]

Yes, it is hystrionics. Moreover, it is not true. To imply, as you did, that we never win a recruiting battle is simply not true. To imply, as you did, that we only get players no D1 program wants is not true. I imagine you know that. I imagine acknowledging that twarts your rant before it starts. So I understand why you don't acknowledge it.

To further make this point...Rank by offer has us 8th best class and 15 based on average player. Granted, we all wish we were higher but still getting quality.

 

[Jackcrevol]

To further make this point...Rank by offer has us 8th best class and 15 based on average player. Granted, we all wish we were higher but still getting quality.

if we were at 9-4 with top 15 classes id be overjoyed. Trouble is, realistically i dont forsee this group coaching up three, or four star players to suit. I do think Shoop will py dividends this year.

If this was the MAC itd be different, it isnt.

 

[nashvol1]

if we were at 9-4 with top 15 classes id be overjoyed. Trouble is, realistically i dont forsee this group coaching up three, or four star players to suit. I do think Shoop will py dividends this year.

If this was the MAC itd be different, it isnt.

That is better argument than that there is not quality. However we are at 9-4 with a top 15 class.

Also, if we can upgrade coaches on D and at QB and OL then your perspective might be different...looks like this is happening.

There are many in the staff who think last years class was just as talented as the previous 2 classes.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Not sure how any of this proves your point. It's pretty simple- if you believe in it so much, you move to those states where legislatures have legalized it. They would truly be representing your stance on the issue.

I may not agree with the speed limit on a street, but the moral thing to do is follow the speed. I may have had some alcohol before 21, but it doesn't mean it was right. It wasn't the law abiding, moral thing to do. That doesn't change my argument one bit.

This is just an old argument. If states want to vote in legislators who are willing to change it, then good for them. But for the time being, civilized countries have laws to follow. Otherwise, they would be anything but civil. Let's move on.

This is just dodging the argument and not addressing it though.

Is it really immoral to drive 55 through those speed trap areas that obviously keep their speed limits low (say, 45) for speeding ticket revenue?

Why is it immoral to drink alcohol if you're 20 years and 9 months old? But not if you're 21 years old?


Something being against the law doesn't make it immoral. Laws are made by men and men are imperfect creatures.


Abiding by the law isn't always equal to being moral. I don't wanna misrepresent what you're saying, but it sounds awfully like you're trying to argue that abiding by the law is moral because the law is moral. And that's circular logic.


Law and morality sometimes overlap, but not always. It's important to keep the two separated so that we can honestly evaluate our laws without imposing our systems of morality (generally speaking for most areas of the world, religion) upon others.

 

[KokoBVol]

Y'all just give me a holler when you've finished up this discussion. I'll be waiting for the football

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[SSVol]

Either you missed my point, or you're (ironically) building your own straw man.


The point I was making was that something being illegal doesn't make it immoral.

I got the point just fine. I just think it's in very poor taste to compare the clearly immoral persecution of a people due to skin color to the government's arbitrary decision that weed is bad...something the FDA does every day.

 

[Volator]

He already asked you to move on. At least take it to off topic but that wouldn't give you the satisfaction of cluttering this thread

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I got the point just fine. I just think it's in very poor taste to compare the clearly immoral persecution of a people due to skin color to the government's arbitrary decision that weed is bad...something the FDA does every day.

1. I made no comparison. I just pointed out that law and morality are not necessarily the same thing. You inferred a comparison where there was none. That's on you.

You can go back and attempt to re read my posts. Nowhere did I say one was as bad as the other on any level. It was a purely theoretical (and TBH, not as hard to follow as you're making it) point that laws can be immoral and that illegal acts aren't necessarily immoral. Nothing more, nothing less.


2. Not sure what point you're trying to make about the FDA deciding weed is bad, but it's not something they do every day lol that's just not how it works.

 

[nashvol1]

We have put a lot of focus on the offensive staff but this doesn't look too bad...yes this is accepting reality a bit.

Scott - OC
Canales - QB
Wells - OL
G - RB
Z - WR/ST

The real upgrades are needed on other side of ball.

 

[SSVol]

Done.

And to the rest, sorry.