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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
LeBron is a great accumulator of stats.

Championships? Not so much.

If stats are all that matter then Wilt Chamberlain should be the GOAT. But he aint cause wins and losses actually matter. And LeBron has been more of a loser in the NBA Finals than a winner.
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He's won 3 :dunno:
 
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scvolfan7 said:
He's top 5 all time. If he finds a way to beat this GS team then he moves into the top 3
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3 NBA championships and 5 finals losses is not the resume of a top 5 all-time player.

The following players are ahead of him:

1. Michael Jordan - 6 NBA championships and 0 finals losses

2. Bill Russell - 11 NBA championships and 1 finals loss

3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 6 NBA championships and 4 finals losses

4. Tim Duncan - 5 NBA championships and 1 finals loss

5. Kobe Bryant - 5 NBA championships and 2 finals losses

6. Magic Johnson - 5 NBA championships and 4 finals losses



LeBron James - 3 NBA and 5 finals losses

LeBron is not a top 5 all-time player. He is a guy who chokes in the championship round.
 
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85SugarVol said:
You can say you don't "like" LeBron James. That's fine.

You can't say he's not great, or overrated. That's just silly.
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No one has said he isn't great. 3 NBA championships and his individual accomplishments say he is one of the greatest ever.

He's just not the GOAT and in no way in the same class as Michael Jordan. He's honestly not even top 5 yet. Guys like Magic Johnson, Tim Duncan, and Kobe Bryant are still ahead of him.

LeBron is right now in the 7-10 range all-time alongside Shaq, Larry Bird, and Hakeem Olajuwon.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No one has said he isn't great. 3 NBA championships and his individual accomplishments say he is one of the greatest ever.

He's just not the GOAT and in no way in the same class as Michael Jordan. He's honestly not even top 5 yet. Guys like Magic Johnson, Tim Duncan, and Kobe Bryant are still ahead of him.

LeBron is right now in the 7-10 range all-time alongside Shaq, Larry Bird, and Hakeem Olajuwon.
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Who said he's the GOAT? Again, no one here tonight has said that.

Others here tonight have said he isn't great , and is overrated. Which is false.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No one has said he isn't great. 3 NBA championships and his individual accomplishments say he is one of the greatest ever.

He's just not the GOAT and in no way in the same class as Michael Jordan. He's honestly not even top 5 yet. Guys like Magic Johnson, Tim Duncan, and Kobe Bryant are still ahead of him.

LeBron is right now in the 7-10 range all-time alongside Shaq, Larry Bird, and Hakeem Olajuwon.
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And Wilt was better than both Shaq & Hakeem.
 
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I don't watch enough basketball to comment on where Lebron ranks among the greats.

But I do know that he gets more hate than he deserves and that if Jordan had played in the modern era he wouldn't be nearly as beloved. Dude's image wouldn't have survived in the Twitter era.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
3 NBA championships and 5 finals losses is not the resume of a top 5 all-time player.

The following players are ahead of him:

1. Michael Jordan - 6 NBA championships and 0 finals losses

2. Bill Russell - 11 NBA championships and 1 finals loss

3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 6 NBA championships and 4 finals losses

4. Tim Duncan - 5 NBA championships and 1 finals loss

5. Kobe Bryant - 5 NBA championships and 2 finals losses

6. Magic Johnson - 5 NBA championships and 4 finals losses



LeBron James - 3 NBA and 5 finals losses

LeBron is not a top 5 all-time player. He is a guy who chokes in the championship round.
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You're a moron. Championships are a team stat. Not an inidividual player stat. The only finals loss that lebron should be criticized for is the one to the Mavs. How are you going to blame him for carrying those god awful Cavs teams to the finals and losing when he has no supporting cast? Lebron is one of the most gifted basketball talents of all time. Top 5 without a doubt. You're like skip Bayless. You don't understand the game so all you do is point to championships without understanding how unbelievably difficult it is to win one. The fact that he's been to 7 in a row is amazing and again he's going to finish top 5 in assists, rebounds, and points. Might be the only player to ever to that. Stick to evaluating the NFL
 
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85SugarVol said:
After the fact doesn't count..

Wilt Chamberlain????
Kareem Abdul Jabbar???
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Yea, I did 4get about Kareem, but Wilt was just bigger than everybody but Russell. I have a bias against centers for some reason, but sub for Kareem for Shaq and Oscar Robertson for Isiah. Isiah was 6 foot and ask any NBA expert, Isiah was the greastest 6 foot and under in the history of the league, despite aprox. a 12 year career
 
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scvolfan7 said:
You're a moron. Championships are a team stat. Not an inidividual player stat. The only finals loss that lebron should be criticized for is the one to the Mavs. How are you going to blame him for carrying those god awful Cavs teams to the finals and losing when he has no supporting cast? Lebron is one of the most gifted basketball talents of all time. Top 5 without a doubt. You're like skip Bayless. You don't understand the game so all you do is point to championships without understanding how unbelievably difficult it is to win one. The fact that he's been to 7 in a row is amazing and again he's going to finish top 5 in assists, rebounds, and points. Might be the only player to ever to that. Stick to evaluating the NFL
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He just got embrassed tonight by Kevin Durant. A guy nobody has in the top 10.

LeBron is great at putting up individual numbers. I'll give him that. But when it matters he doesn't show up. 5 finals losses is devastating. And if Kevin Durant continues to outplay him, it'll be even worse.

I've never seen another top 5 all-time player get dominated by the guy playing his position on the other team.

As I said earlier, I never saw Clyde Drexler own Michael Jordan like Kevin Durant owned LeBron tonight.
 
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Lebron is second best ever. It's not really comparable. I'm a lebron hater fwiw
 
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What in the world happened in here?! I'm pretty sure there's a NBA forum on this board...can Game 2 discussion and the rest of the Finals talk be taken there? Thanks, buddies!
 
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Lately Lebron just pisses and moans when he doesn't get his way or things don't go his way... he is quicker to turn on his teammates with curt words and gestures... the guy walks 20 times a game and never gets called... he is always given the benefit of the doubt because of who he is ... he is a great player, but I think a lot of the hate from folks comes from his attitude on the court. I can't speak for everyone, but my son and his friends used to really like Lebron, but they've lost interest because of how he handles himself on the court with his teammates and other players.
 
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After reading this thread and seeing that my initial post somewhat was in the same ballpark as agreeing with D4H, I humbly change my opinion. Thx.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
What in the world happened in here?! I'm pretty sure there's a NBA forum on this board...can Game 2 discussion and the rest of the Finals talk be taken there? Thanks, buddies!
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There's Stanley Cup talk in this thread during every Preds game as well.

It's June, there's only so much football to talk about.
 
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tennessee's incoming freshmen arrived minus jordan murphy and jaquez jones this week. One person turning heads with his look was eric crosby. After being around 350, crosby has trimmed down and is in the 320s. Also impressing, as was noted back at the orange and white game, was defensive end ryan thaxton. Additionally, we are told that josh palmer looks to be in good shape.

As for the current team, sources tell volquest that darren kirkland jr. Is having quite the offseason and has impressed with his leadership and work in the weight room.

Some of you have asked about numbers and here is what we have as of now.

Ty chandler #3
jordan murphy #11
solon page #38
ryan thaxton #44
matthew butler #56
tim jordan #22
trey coleman #24
maleik gray #4
josh palmer #5
cheyenne labruzza #9
shaq wiggins #6
k'rohn calvert #74
eric crosby #27
james brown #84
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- vq
 
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