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Volnukem said:
https://gtswarm.com/threads/what-was-the-play-with-pulling-guard-and-tackle.12911/
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Interesting.

So apparently they didn't run QB counter trey much last season and they ran it ~10 times Monday. I can see how the first few times might catch the defense by surprise, but I don't see why that's something the defense had so much trouble adapting to stop. A lot of spread option teams we play run counter trey. If their QB can run a little, they'll run the QB variant. Our offense made bank of counter trey and QB counter trey the past two years.


I'm still pretty skeptical of the "they ran a different offense than we expected" excuse. Pretty much every team runs a handful of plays each game they haven't put on film much or have been setting up in previous games for defenses. That's not the same as running a completely different defense than you were expecting.
 
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volfaninpa said:
I've got Carson Wentz too. I took Cutler late to have a guy on Wentz' bye week. By the way, Cutler had a really good season with Gase coaching him.
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Well, I'm an Eagles fan, so I love Wentz. I like your QBs if Cutler is the 3rd choice. Better than mine, Wilson and Dalton. I missed my draft and auto-drafted on yahoo. Hate that, even if I do well, it still doesn't feel like my team.
 
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Smokey123 said:
He had the same QB last year and ran up the score vs every team he could. He beat Rutgers 78-0...... He ran up the score vs Florida in the bowl game 2 years ago, UF had just as bad offense then too.... Florida talked about how bad they were gonna beat UM. You don't think harbaugh wanted to run up the score?😂
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He struggles massively against Wisconsin, Indiana and Iowa. They lost 19 starters and no, I don't think they're a good offense aside from a few OL and WR Black.

You do?
 
#1,880
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The Dog said:
Well if u considered Jay Cutler a capable starter in fantasy or hell, real football, your team will never have a chance anyway.
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Don't sleep on Cutler this year.

Full disclosure: I'm obligated to say that because he is the QB of my Dolphins this year. :)
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
Florida was 5-10 yards off every throw and yet the Michigan QB facing no pash rush kept over throwing or dirt balling passes. Don't forget the wide open (by 20 yards) receiver he had and flung it out of bounds.
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When you face a QB you don't think can beat you with his arm (and who has already gifted you 14 puts thanks to bad throws) you take a couple chances like the one they took on the (sure TD) throw Speight missed.

Their front seven did a decent job of getting after the QB, really. The most concerning thing for UF defensively should be their run defense. Their pass defense looked fine for the most part. Their run defense was spotty, at best, and looked somewhat soft at times.
 
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On NFL game tonight they inform us the Chiefs rookie starting RB, Kareem Hunt, played with a club on his arm bc of a broken wrist last season.

Was RB at Toledo and had 41 catches with that broken wrist.

Of course all breaks are different but just thought that was interesting.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
He struggles massively against Wisconsin, Indiana and Iowa. They lost 19 starters and no, I don't think they're a good offense aside from a few OL and WR Black.

You do?
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They've got a pretty deep stable of RBs, too. Maybe no all-conference type guys, but all pretty good.

The biggest thing they've got going for them this season offensively is probably Harbaugh.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
He struggles massively against Wisconsin, Indiana and Iowa. They lost 19 starters and no, I don't think they're a good offense aside from a few OL and WR Black.

You do?
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What does struggling have to do with anything? He didn't take the gas off in those games. Are you implying they struggled with UF? If so that's not what you were saying earlier.


Spieght passed for 2500 yards and 64% as a first time starter and has one of the stronger arms in CFB, he's decent not great. They have 3 solid RB's, Isaac was a 5* and averaged nearly 6 YPC last year. They signed probably the best WR class, including DPJ last year, Black is not their only good skill player. Their offense isn't bad at all.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
When you face a QB you don't think can beat you with his arm (and who has already gifted you 14 puts thanks to bad throws) you take a couple chances like the one they took on the (sure TD) throw Speight missed.

Their front seven did a decent job of getting after the QB, really. The most concerning thing for UF defensively should be their run defense. Their pass defense looked fine for the most part. Their run defense was spotty, at best, and looked somewhat soft at times.
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I can agree with that. Florida's pass defense looked ok against a subpar QB with 1 WR option but a solid TE.

Run the ball. Play action. No turnovers. Beat Florida by two scores and walk out.
 
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orangefreak21 said:
On NFL game tonight they inform us the Chiefs rookie starting RB, Kareem Hunt, played with a club on his arm bc of a broken wrist last season.

Was RB at Toledo and had 41 catches with that broken wrist.

Of course all breaks are different but just thought that was interesting.
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So, are u saying JJ should play? Or maybe come back before 12 weeks?
 
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Smokey123 said:
What does struggling have to do with anything? He didn't take the gas off in those games. Are you implying they struggled with UF? If so that's not what you were saying earlier.


Spieght passed for 2500 yards and 64% as a first time starter and has one of the stronger arms in CFB, he's decent not great. They have 3 solid RB's, Isaac was a 5* and averaged nearly 6 YPC last year. They signed probably the best WR class, including DPJ last year, Black is not their only good skill player. Their offense isn't bad at all.
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DPJ did a good job with punts but can't run routes yet. Michigan fans were thrilled with the game. They were massively concerned with both sides of ball. They don't like Speight at all. My Dad's from Michigan and we have plenty of family.

Hey, maybe they're all wrong and you're right.
 
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orangefreak21 said:
On NFL game tonight they inform us the Chiefs rookie starting RB, Kareem Hunt, played with a club on his arm bc of a broken wrist last season.

Was RB at Toledo and had 41 catches with that broken wrist.

Of course all breaks are different but just thought that was interesting.
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Btw that kid looks dang good
 
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you said:
Cliff notes?
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Chalk Talk - Volume 55









CHALK TALK
VOLUNTEER STYLE
VOLUME 55

SEPTEMBER 7, 2017





INDIANA STATE/LESSONS FROM GEORGIA TECH
Indiana State is team x for the purposes of this Talk. Game #2 and this will be short and sweet. FBS school, not competitive with Tennessee….will run the ball 2 to 1 over passing the ball, will try to get out of Neyland healthy, lost 22-20 to Eastern Illinois in first game. They are in a lot of trouble this Saturday.
Now….what is really important. Where does this 2017 Vols team stand coming out of an overtime win this past Monday? We won a game we could have lost (could have not should have). While it would be easy to look at the negatives coming out of this game I will spend much of this Talk looking at the positives as they relate to the next 11 games. You will hear enough about the negatives without me spending much time on them.
If ever a Tennessee team won a game by performing the basics of Tennessee tradition it was this staff and team. The kicking game is the strongest part of this team and it allowed the Vols to win in Atlanta. Six punts with five inside the 20 yard line (18,14,5,15,11). If Trevor Daniel is not the best punter in college football I want to watch the guy who is. By downing the ball inside the 20 instead of kicking into the end zone Trevor saved 37 yards in hidden yardage, nearly 4 first and tens. Aaron Medley had 5 kickoffs: 3 touchbacks and the kick coverage team tackled Tech returners at the 13 and 20 on the other two kicks. This is outstanding especially in the first game of the year and is certainly something that Coach Jones can build on going forward. Aaron was also 5 for 5 in point after kicks. What is the most important point in football? The extra point!!!! Seniors playing like experienced seniors.
Field position….always the key in winning close games. This stat is as good as I can remember any Vol team producing. Georgia Tech had 11 possessions, 11 offensive drives. The nearest they started a drive to the Volunteer goal line was their own 29 yard line…..71 yards away from Tennessee’s end zone. Great kick coverage and zero turnovers allowed this to happen. If there is such a thing as a key statistic game in and game out it is this one…..not who has the ball, but where they have it.
On the topic of turnovers refer to two Game Maxims….. “The team making the fewest mistakes will win” and “Play for and make the breaks……When one comes your way…..SCORE”. The Vols forced and recovered 2 Tech fumbles and scored 14 points off those turnovers. Two hustle, effort plays by Rashaan Gaulden and Daniel Bituli that forced fumbles and timely recoveries by Nigel Warrior and Micah Abernathy were game saving plays….we probably lose without either. These plays do not happen by chance, they are practiced every day. Offensively the Vols drove 46 and 93 yards for two key touchdowns after those two turnovers.
GOING FORWARD: DEFENSIVE THOUGHTS
I really felt badly for this defensive staff. Starting last spring they put in and worked on a plan for Georgia Tech that featured three linebackers. That plan was worked in fall camp and into game week. Five linebackers were to be featured and then during game week Kirkland, Jr and Smith were injured. That left three with their best, Kirkland, Jr out for the year. Too late to change game plans the only thing to do was get the most they could out of a bad situation. Been there, done that and it ain’t much fun. We certainly must improve in many areas but if I were a defensive coach on this staff I would be damn proud of the job my unit did Monday night. They kept their poise, fought for 4 quarters and 2 overtimes and always believed they would win. You can win a lot of games with those type of players and coaches.
Stats aside, and they were bad, let’s look at individual players and what their play portends for the rest of the season. One bad statistical game means very little when you win. It’s how you react, how you coach, how you practice and if you learn from the lessons coming out of that performance. .In 1989 when I was the defensive coordinator LSU’s Tommy Hodson set the all-time single game total passing yardage record for the Southeastern Conference in Tiger Stadium. The “all-time” record. However we won the game and finished the season 11-1. It is how you react to a poor performance that counts. Also we moved Carl Pickens to safety the next Monday…..that helped a bunch.
INDIVIDUALS: Daniel Bituli….middle linebacker with power, strength and ability to make plays inside and outside. Love his competitiveness. Darrell Taylor….defensive end. not Derek Barnett yet but tremendous potential. Love his competitiveness. Nigel Warrior….safety. not Dale Carter yet but talented. Put him on the field and let him play. Cortez McDowell….outside linebacker. Looks to be quicker, faster plus can play man coverage on backs coming out of backfield. Rashaan Gaulden…nickel and corner. Physical get to the ball player. A hitter. Love his 100% every play mentality. Big play capability. Micah Abernathy…safety. Helped by an athletic Warrior and can be an excellent safety in this league. Smart and experienced. Jonathan Kongbo….defensive end. Will get better with playing experience. Played solid against Tech but needs Gaulden/Bituli attitude and may in fact have it. Hard to evaluate on one game. That’s seven out of eleven starters that are fully capable of winning in this league.
Additionally….Shy Tuttle is back at defensive tackle. Knock of the rust in the Indiana State game and get ready for the Gators. He is a proven SEC tackle. Kendal Vickers….solid fundamentalist. Proven in many SEC games. Khalil McKenzie…..defensive tackle….run stuffer/push pass rusher. Needs to be solid inside. Justin Martin….corner. a game day puzzle. Has been unable to take it from the practice field to the game field. Talented but if I am the defensive back coach he is running out of time. Emmanuel Moseley….corner. Adequate but the best we got right now. Todd Kelly, Jr….Valuable safety that can play well when called on. Colton Jumper…MLB and OLB. Valuable when playing as a backup.
Need to come along (and should)……Quarte Sapp at OLB, Will Ignont at MLB, Shawn Shamburger at corner, Shag Wiggins corner (get healthy), Alexis Johnson and Matthew Butler at defensive tackle, Kyle Phillips and Deandre Johnson at defensive end, Theo Jackson at safety and Baylen Buchanan at nickel. These players just need playing time and should be contributors as the season advances.
Finishing the defensive side of the ball……Take the Georgia Tech tape, watch it as coaches, do your lessons and then throw it in the trash can. Enjoy, celebrate the win as they are tough to come by. If this staff gets the aforementioned players worked into a solid rotation by position this defense can be a good defense. What stood out in the Tech game was this…..given every opportunity to quit this unit played their butts off and on the final drive of regulation as well as the final play of the game found a way to make stops that led to winning a game that could have easily been lost. Over the years I have learned that Vol fans recognize and appreciate players/teams that never quit, bust their rear ends and never quit. That brings up the final Game Maxim…. “Carry the fight to Tech for 60 minutes”. They did and two over time periods to boot.
Next week, a closer look at the offensive individuals for the 2017 Vols. We will Talk next Thursday.
 
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Freak said:
Dare I ask, what are Barb’s Chip Dip players of the week?

[twitter]https://twitter.com/UTCoachJones/status/905864432068198400[/twitter]
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IIRC, it's something they give to the guys who did the best in practice that week. I guess his wife has some dip she makes and they send a plate to each guy or something like that.

Or, according to VolTwitter, it is a "f---ing embarassment" by some out of touch fool.
 
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WallyBalls said:
IIRC, it's something they give to the guys who did the best in practice that week. I guess his wife has some dip she makes and they send a plate to each guy or something like that.

Or, according to VolTwitter, it is a "f---ing embarassment" by some out of touch fool.
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omg but what if people make fun of us
 
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