'21 Recruiting Forum: Music City Bowl vs. Purdue Pregame/Game Thread

[volsagain]

How do you achieve that accountability? I agree they did a sh$t job in our game but every single game that has ever been played….. one side or maybe both teams fans claim and are upset about the officiating whether legit(imo, our game) or just fans mad bc their team lost.

Follow the money , that's where your likely to find corruption. And when that's rectified go back and check the smaller wagers. The little things in the game is noticeable and irritating and then when needed we been getting the big slap in the face.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

One thing I noticed on rewatch is that you can tell the refs consistently spot the ball short on a significant portion of our plays. It’s not that way for Purdue. They don’t give them extra yardage but they consistently spot the ball appropriately.

I was saying this throughout the entire game in our private text group. One of the fourth downs that we did not convert in the second half was directly due to back-to-back terrible spots.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

How do you achieve that accountability? I agree they did a sh$t job in our game but every single game that has ever been played….. one side or maybe both teams fans claim and are upset about the officiating whether legit(imo, our game) or just fans mad bc their team lost.

It wasn't a **** job..open your dang eyes man...they were bent. Make them face an inquiry, investigate the piss out of them and every acquaintance they have...make them face scrutiny of the people they just screwed.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Vegas is making millions daily based off emotional gamblers….. why would they break federal laws to win just a little bit more? Plus if Hooker didn’t miss some of those earlier passes…. That game would have been so out of hand that the officials never would have come into play. Also, why would Vegas do that on a game that mainly just has mainly Tennessee, Purdue, and a few heavy gamblers when the huge money flows in the playoff games?

You are blind...you are a naive, gullible and blind. They count on people like you that don't want to see the truth. It is outside the realm of logic and reason that there was any way that game was just a "mistake or two"...go watch it again...it was not one or two mistakes, it was bad call after bad call, bad spot after bad spot, bad no call after bad no call...all favoring one team..it is ridiculous to think otherwise.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Follow the money , that's where your likely to find corruption. And when that's rectified go back and check the smaller wagers. The little things in the game is noticeable and irritating and then when needed we been getting the big slap in the face.

He is willingly blind.

 

[volsagain]

You are blind...you are a naive, gullible and blind. They count on people like you that don't want to see the truth. It is outside the realm of logic and reason that there was any way that game was just a "mistake or two"...go watch it again...it was not one or two mistakes, it was bad call after bad call, bad spot after bad spot, bad no call after bad no call...all favoring one team..it is ridiculous to think otherwise.

It just amazing how many bad spots we had in the Pitt and Purdue game and yes all the no calls on each one. Yet ACC officials. That scumbag crew was suspended for 2 games for there debocal in the Duke - Miami game or was that the way they wanted it to end ???

 

[volbeast33]

You are blind...you are a naive, gullible and blind. They count on people like you that don't want to see the truth. It is outside the realm of logic and reason that there was any way that game was just a "mistake or two"...go watch it again...it was not one or two mistakes, it was bad call after bad call, bad spot after bad spot, bad no call after bad no call...all favoring one team..it is ridiculous to think otherwise.

I’m not claiming that the refs might have biases financial or otherwise….. the thought that Vegas is behind it is ridiculous…… I’m up over 50,000 against Vegas in my lifetime…. They make a ton of money off all of these parleys and the regular games….. all Vegas wants is the same number of gamblers on Tennessee and Purdue bc they win 10% of the money which when adding up all the games is an absolute ton of money going into Vegas daily.

 

[volbeast33]

It wasn't a **** job..open your dang eyes man...they were bent. Make them face an inquiry, investigate the piss out of them and every acquaintance they have...make them face scrutiny of the people they just screwed.

Are we going to that for every poorly called game?

 

[Jackcrevol]

well, @Ulysees E. McGill has entered the discussion...

 

[SSVol]

Are we going to that for every poorly called game?

I'm a big believer in incompetence before conspiracy, but the history of fixing outcomes and shaving points is well established. To suggest that because they make X, they wouldn't cheat to make 1.5X, seems naive to me. Everyone around here is convinced that a coach or player will go somewhere else to make 10% more, but the mob won't pay some refs to tilt games?

Not saying that's what is happening, only that to say it can't is unwise.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

It just amazing how many bad spots we had in the Pitt and Purdue game and yes all the no calls on each one. Yet ACC officials. That scumbag crew was suspended for 2 games for there debocal in the Duke - Miami game or was that the way they wanted it to end ???

I don't think there are legitimately bad...I think they are bent.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I’m not claiming that the refs might have biases financial or otherwise….. the thought that Vegas is behind it is ridiculous…… I’m up over 50,000 against Vegas in my lifetime…. They make a ton of money off all of these parleys and the regular games….. all Vegas wants is the same number of gamblers on Tennessee and Purdue bc they win 10% of the money which when adding up all the games is an absolute ton of money going into Vegas daily.

I don't necessarily think legitimate gambling is behind it, I think there are guys on that crew that are having "acquaintances" make off the book bets for them, either that or they are directed by the ACC to screw us, or it could be because of personal anti-SEC agendas..there are tons of reasons why, and zero reason at this point to make them accountable.

Whatever their reasons, it doesn't matter...they were crooked and screwed our boys over.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Are we going to that for every poorly called game?

Yep

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I'm a big believer in incompetence before conspiracy, but the history of fixing outcomes and shaving points is well established. To suggest that because they make X, they wouldn't cheat to make 1.5X, seems naive to me. Everyone around here is convinced that a coach or player will go somewhere else to make 10% more, but the mob won't pay some refs to tilt games?

Not saying that's what is happening, only that to say it can't is unwise.

Incompetence would have been one bad call...not what they did in the Purdue game, or the Pitt game.

 

[Jackcrevol]

I'm a big believer in incompetence before conspiracy, but the history of fixing outcomes and shaving points is well established. To suggest that because they make X, they wouldn't cheat to make 1.5X, seems naive to me. Everyone around here is convinced that a coach or player will go somewhere else to make 10% more, but the mob won't pay some refs to tilt games?

Not saying that's what is happening, only that to say it can't is unwise.

players and coaches make 6-10 times more if not higher...

Once got told in a device sales pos interview. If I catch you on the take or side without notice, or, dating the scrubs you're done. Also, never drive a nicer car than the docs you call on.

Didnt take job but ill never forget that.

 

[volbeast33]

I'm a big believer in incompetence before conspiracy, but the history of fixing outcomes and shaving points is well established. To suggest that because they make X, they wouldn't cheat to make 1.5X, seems naive to me. Everyone around here is convinced that a coach or player will go somewhere else to make 10% more, but the mob won't pay some refs to tilt games?

Not saying that's what is happening, only that to say it can't is unwise.

The argument is not that they didn’t try to fix the game based on gambling reasons…. I tend to lean towards incompetence/bias due to some of the governmental changes to try and prevent it…. It is still definitely possible though

The conspiracy I disagree with is that Vegas set a line to lure bettors in and then paid the refs to fix the game.

 

[volbeast33]

I don't necessarily think legitimate gambling is behind it, I think there are guys on that crew that are having "acquaintances" make off the book bets for them, either that or they are directed by the ACC to screw us, or it could be because of personal anti-SEC agendas..there are tons of reasons why, and zero reason at this point to make them accountable.

Whatever their reasons, it doesn't matter...they were crooked and screwed our boys over.

I agree that is possible although unlikely, imo…. I do feel that we need ref reform although not sure how to do that…. It will never be perfect bc the action is so fast and us at home gets to see it slowed down from different angles.

 

[VolGee4]

I agree that is possible although unlikely, imo…. I do feel that we need ref reform although not sure how to do that…. It will never be perfect bc the action is so fast and us at home gets to see it slowed down from different angles.

That’s what review is for, but they still can’t get some of them correctly. I was also in the stands and not in front of a tv, and the crowd knew some of the calls were BS.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I agree that is possible although unlikely, imo…. I do feel that we need ref reform although not sure how to do that…. It will never be perfect bc the action is so fast and us at home gets to see it slowed down from different angles.

It's unlikely (edit: No...it is impossible) that they made that many "mistakes" all towards one team that literally made it impossible to win.

Why in the hell does it break your jaw to admit that? Are you really that afraid to face the truth? Does the knowledge that integrity of competition is a complete myth scare you that bad?

Burying your head in the sand is what they count on. Nothing will ever be done until everyone demands it, and puts these guys lives under the microscope.

 

[SSVol]

players and coaches make 6-10 times more if not higher...

Once got told in a device sales pos interview. If I catch you on the take or side without notice, or, dating the scrubs you're done. Also, never drive a nicer car than the docs you call on.

Didnt take job but ill never forget that.

I'm talking about the so-called legitimate Vegas companies, not the refs. The mob loved gambling and prostitution when they were illegal. You don't honestly think they bailed out when it became legal, right? I don't, and I don't think they suddenly became respectable either. Influencing outcomes to improve the bottom line is no stretch at all.

 

[Jackcrevol]

come on Hubbs. light the officials up.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I'm talking about the so-called legitimate Vegas companies, not the refs. The mob loved gambling and prostitution when they were illegal. You don't honestly think they bailed out when it became legal, right? I don't, and I don't think they suddenly became respectable either. Influencing outcomes to improve the bottom line is no stretch at all.

Nope...but I am not sure if this was a few guys on that crew taking personal initiative and placing bets themselves, or if it was influenced by Vegas. They would surely make a lot more money by doing it for Vegas...that much is true.

I also that Conference alliances could be behind it..they and the Pitt crew could have been directed by the ACC, or took it on themselves to do it..

No matter which reason though...that crew and the Pitt crew were bent and our boys got screwed over.

 

[87&91ALUM]

Maybe not an easy fix but, I have proposed several fixes for the flopping and use of technology to better evaluate questionable or close calls. For flops, hold the flopping player out for a quarter or charge the flopping team with a time out. For bad calls, increase cameras and those watching the different views and allowing coaches to have more called reviews. The USA has become so biased, 50-50 left and right country, and sports officiating appears to be just as biased. I hate to be a cynic but, past couple years have seen the number of game "outcome changing" calls skyrocket. When millions of people comment "you were screwed" whether baseball, basketball, football, pro or college, something has to be done or it is failure by neglect. When BAMA and the big boys with a lot of dollars and prestige on the line start getting screwed, you will see change. I also think it requires the teams getting together and threatening to leave the conferences and form their own university managed sports leagues. Screw the SEC and NCAA. Ditto ESPN and MSM sports.

 

[Z06VolinWV]

One thing I noticed on rewatch is that you can tell the refs consistently spot the ball short on a significant portion of our plays. It’s not that way for Purdue. They don’t give them extra yardage but they consistently spot the ball appropriately.

That was very clear during the entire game! ALWAYS 1+ yard shy of where the ball was downed!!

 

[bignewt]

If you go down you are out for the series. That's fair and logical.