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Catbone said:
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I am not an economist. I like to think I am a fairly intelligent person though. I understand that welfare programs are often designed to get people on them and then make it almost impossible to get off. The politicians want folks hooked like a drug so they keep getting their votes.

However, when I read that the economy is adding so many jobs that many sectors are experiencing labor shortages, I have to wonder why we don't require people on welfare programs to seek work. Why isn't welfare designed to be a step down program that encourages people to go out and find work rather than pulling the rug out from underneath them as soon as they take a $10 / hour job?

I think it is crazy when I hear that we need to bring in more immigrants (I don't have anything against immigrants. Both sides of my family were immigrants at one point or another.) when we have all of these folks stuck on the government teet. How about we get those folks off the government payrolls and back contributing to the government coffers before we start talking about all the new folks we need to bring into the country.

I am all for folks being allowed to come to this country and make a better life. I love those stories because many of them appreciate living here more than most native born Americans. However, I think it is silly to subsidize our lazy a** population while bringing in more folks from outside to fill the jobs that should be filled by the folks on the welfare programs.

Now I know that each situation is unique and I am painting the situation with a broad brush here, but surely having the folks receiving government benefits working and paying taxes into the system while still receiving some benefits would be better than them just taking out of the system and putting nothing back in?

Maybe I am way off base here but I really think welfare reform that encourages folks to work while being stepped down off of the assistance programs needs to be right up there in priority with the health insurance reform and tax code simplification.

*steps down from soap box and offers it to the next ranter*
 
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Glitch said:
I am not an economist. I like to think I am a fairly intelligent person though. I understand that welfare programs are often designed to get people on them and then make it almost impossible to get off. The politicians want folks hooked like a drug so they keep getting their votes.

However, when I read that the economy is adding so many jobs that many sectors are experiencing labor shortages, I have to wonder why we don't require people on welfare programs to seek work. Why isn't welfare designed to be a step down program that encourages people to go out and find work rather than pulling the rug out from underneath them as soon as they take a $10 / hour job?

I think it is crazy when I hear that we need to bring in more immigrants (I don't have anything against immigrants. Both sides of my family were immigrants at one point or another.) when we have all of these folks stuck on the government teet. How about we get those folks off the government payrolls and back contributing to the government coffers before we start talking about all the new folks we need to bring into the country.

I am all for folks being allowed to come to this country and make a better life. I love those stories because many of them appreciate living here more than most native born Americans. However, I think it is silly to subsidize our lazy a** population while bringing in more folks from outside to fill the jobs that should be filled by the folks on the welfare programs.

Now I know that each situation is unique and I am painting the situation with a broad brush here, but surely having the folks receiving government benefits working and paying taxes into the system while still receiving some benefits would be better than them just taking out of the system and putting nothing back in?

Maybe I am way off base here but I really think welfare reform that encourages folks to work while being stepped down off of the assistance programs needs to be right up there in priority with the health insurance reform and tax code simplification.

*steps down from soap box and offers it to the next ranter*
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Glitch said:
I am not an economist. I like to think I am a fairly intelligent person though. I understand that welfare programs are often designed to get people on them and then make it almost impossible to get off. The politicians want folks hooked like a drug so they keep getting their votes.

However, when I read that the economy is adding so many jobs that many sectors are experiencing labor shortages, I have to wonder why we don't require people on welfare programs to seek work. Why isn't welfare designed to be a step down program that encourages people to go out and find work rather than pulling the rug out from underneath them as soon as they take a $10 / hour job?

I think it is crazy when I hear that we need to bring in more immigrants (I don't have anything against immigrants. Both sides of my family were immigrants at one point or another.) when we have all of these folks stuck on the government teet. How about we get those folks off the government payrolls and back contributing to the government coffers before we start talking about all the new folks we need to bring into the country.

I am all for folks being allowed to come to this country and make a better life. I love those stories because many of them appreciate living here more than most native born Americans. However, I think it is silly to subsidize our lazy a** population while bringing in more folks from outside to fill the jobs that should be filled by the folks on the welfare programs.

Now I know that each situation is unique and I am painting the situation with a broad brush here, but surely having the folks receiving government benefits working and paying taxes into the system while still receiving some benefits would be better than them just taking out of the system and putting nothing back in?

Maybe I am way off base here but I really think welfare reform that encourages folks to work while being stepped down off of the assistance programs needs to be right up there in priority with the health insurance reform and tax code simplification.

*steps down from soap box and offers it to the next ranter*
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That's the way it was going back into the Clinton/Contract with America years in the 90's. The welfare rolls shrunk as a result IIRC. There were periodic status reviews and job interview requirements to be met.

In Trump's case he is planning to hyper grow the economy and wages while reigning in the budget to kill the deficit spending, which more inflation will help happen. Which means the welfare state will have to go and immigration (legal) will continue to grow. Some form of worker visa program that includes non-criminal illegal residents will probably be introduced at some point. Just not amnesty as that would alienate his base. JMO.
 
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Let's start by reforming the mortgage interest deduction. Rich people get more from the government than the poor. Welfare is grossly misunderstood - as are the many ways the rich and upper middle class benefit from tax breaks, which have to be paid for or they run the deficit up. Welfare, for the poor, isn't a problem. It's funny when people, typically religious, want to take from the poor. Our military is a jobs program, the Koch brothers are rich from government money and are getting more welfare in the form of this absurd pipeline and they'll use their nazi, socialist, government money to buy elections. Perhaps a better place to start reforms. Or, we could take the $1.50 meals from disabled people. Either one.
 
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Glitch said:
I am not an economist. I like to think I am a fairly intelligent person though. I understand that welfare programs are often designed to get people on them and then make it almost impossible to get off. The politicians want folks hooked like a drug so they keep getting their votes.

However, when I read that the economy is adding so many jobs that many sectors are experiencing labor shortages, I have to wonder why we don't require people on welfare programs to seek work. Why isn't welfare designed to be a step down program that encourages people to go out and find work rather than pulling the rug out from underneath them as soon as they take a $10 / hour job?

I think it is crazy when I hear that we need to bring in more immigrants (I don't have anything against immigrants. Both sides of my family were immigrants at one point or another.) when we have all of these folks stuck on the government teet. How about we get those folks off the government payrolls and back contributing to the government coffers before we start talking about all the new folks we need to bring into the country.

I am all for folks being allowed to come to this country and make a better life. I love those stories because many of them appreciate living here more than most native born Americans. However, I think it is silly to subsidize our lazy a** population while bringing in more folks from outside to fill the jobs that should be filled by the folks on the welfare programs.

Now I know that each situation is unique and I am painting the situation with a broad brush here, but surely having the folks receiving government benefits working and paying taxes into the system while still receiving some benefits would be better than them just taking out of the system and putting nothing back in?

Maybe I am way off base here but I really think welfare reform that encourages folks to work while being stepped down off of the assistance programs needs to be right up there in priority with the health insurance reform and tax code simplification.

*steps down from soap box and offers it to the next ranter*
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Maybe we could offer an exchange program for those hard workers that want to come to the US... give them 3 people from California or two healthy welfare recipients...sounds harsh, but could be a win-win. (At least until the other country hears all the whining and complaining) :hi:

The welfare system was initially intended to work exactly as you stated. Temporary assistance, not a future of dependence.
 
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James K Folks said:
Let's start by reforming the mortgage interest deduction. Rich people get more from the government than the poor. Welfare is grossly misunderstood - as are the many ways the rich and upper middle class benefit from tax breaks, which have to be paid for or they run the deficit up. Welfare, for the poor, isn't a problem. It's funny when people, typically religious, want to take from the poor. Our military is a jobs program, the Koch brothers are rich from government money and are getting more welfare in the form of this absurd pipeline and they'll use their nazi, socialist, government money to buy elections. Perhaps a better place to start reforms. Or, we could take the $1.50 meals from disabled people. Either one.
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National sales tax, no income tax. Done.
 
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VolsDoc81TX said:
Maybe we could offer an exchange program for those hard workers that want to come to the US... give them 3 people from California or two healthy welfare recipients...sounds harsh, but could be a win-win. (At least until the other country hears all the whining and complaining) :hi:

The welfare system was initially intended to work exactly as you stated. Temporary assistance, not a future of dependence.
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Yeah California is hurting us, it's only the 6th largest economy in the world, at worst. They only produce a trillion dollars more than any other state, we need more Kansas, more farms to subsidize.

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How long do you think the average person on welfare stays on it? 15-20 years?

Let's say the government gives more money to the poor, where do you think that money is going? Unlike the rich who put it overseas, that money would go right back in to local businesses. But, they are poor, who cares what would be best, lets marginalize them and pretend we are doing so because #patriotism.
 
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I've always gone by the adage of: Give a man a fish, feed him for the day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life."
 
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