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Not commenting on any of the porn stuff but you bring up free speech. The same amendment that protects Christianity, protects the right to speak against it. You can't really pick and choose the parts of the amendment you like.

Then people should be able to use racial slurs without being ostrichsized for hate speech if we are gonna go all the way down that road.

FTR, I wish porn was erased from the earth but I realize it won't be because it is a tool of satan. People have the right to produce it but his post was clearly trying to get the point across that many porn producers use it as a tool against Christians and hide behind free speech like they are just poor innocent film makers trying to get by in the world.


Also, XV-Nulla.
 
you said it right there.

I don't think I ever denied that fact. I was trying to point out that it is addictive and can ruin your life. You said that people should just stop if it is hurting their life. Tell that to a coke head or a pill popper. Everyone's drug of choice is different but they are all monsters to that particular person. What may be easy for you to turn away from will drag another person down into a pit of despair and eat them alive.
 
Then people should be able to use racial slurs without being ostrichsized for hate speech if we are gonna go all the way down that road.

FTR, I wish porn was erased from the earth but I realize it won't be because it is a tool of satan. People have the right to produce it but his post was clearly trying to get the point across that many porn producers use it as a tool against Christians and hide behind free speech like they are just poor innocent film makers trying to get by in the world.


Also, XV-Nulla.

I was commenting on the part about making laws to make it illegal. You can ostracize them for being anti Christian all you want. But making laws against speaking out about Christianity would violate the same amendment as making laws against practicing Christianity. Just pointing out the flaw in that specific part of his comment. Not picking sides in the debate.
 
Not commenting on any of the porn stuff but you bring up free speech. The same amendment that protects Christianity, protects the right to speak against it. You can't really pick and choose the parts of the amendment you like.

I'm glad that you brought up the free speech issue, and how it was subverted by pornographers to get around obscenity laws. Its a nuanced discussion, but a very important nuance. Freedom of Religion, like Freedom of Speech, are enshrined in the Bill of Right. There's nothing in the Constitution about freedom to produce pornography. The way that this group of pornographers got around obscenity laws was through lawfare, and what opened the floodgates was the Miller v California case. That's the "I know it when I see it" definition of obscenity, where material appeals the "prurient interest" and lacks any "serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value" or SLAPS test. The effects of the Miller ruling was that in order for material to be considered obscene, it has to meet a very difficult 3-tiered test of violating community standards, being patently offensive to the average person, and if the work lacks SLAPS. In setting such a high bar for a work to be considered obscene, Chief Justice Burger essentially created the legal avenue for the widespread production of pornography.

It first started with the Roth case almost 2 decades earlier, but the Miller case is what opened the doors for the widespread distribution of pornography. And that's how the sexual revolution was codified into law, via jurisprudence. It only became a free speech issue after dozens of lawsuits from the 1950s through the 1990s.
 
I don't think I ever denied that fact. I was trying to point out that it is addictive and can ruin your life. You said that people should just stop if it is hurting their life. Tell that to a coke head or a pill popper. Everyone's drug of choice is different but they are all monsters to that particular person. What may be easy for you to turn away from will drag another person down into a pit of despair and eat them alive.

Similar to alcoholism. Not everybody's brain is wired the same. Some people become chemically addicted to it, while some people don't experience any long term negative effects. There really aren't blanket statements on this that can be applied to everyone the same. Just like almost everything in life other hating bama. If you don't hate bama there's something wrong with you for sure. :)
 
I'm glad that you brought up the free speech issue, and how it was subverted by pornographers to get around obscenity laws. Its a nuanced discussion, but a very important nuance. Freedom of Religion, like Freedom of Speech, are enshrined in the Bill of Right. There's nothing in the Constitution about freedom to produce pornography. The way that this group of pornographers got around obscenity laws was through lawfare, and what opened the floodgates was the Miller v California case. That's the "I know it when I see it" definition of obscenity, where material appeals the "prurient interest" and lacks any "serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value" or SLAPS test. The effects of the Miller ruling was that in order for material to be considered obscene, it has to meet a very difficult 3-tiered test of violating community standards, being patently offensive to the average person, and if the work lacks SLAPS. In setting such a high bar for a work to be considered obscene, Chief Justice Burger essentially created the legal avenue for the widespread production of pornography.

It first started with the Roth case almost 2 decades earlier, but the Miller case is what opened the doors for the widespread distribution of pornography. And that's how the sexual revolution was codified into law, via jurisprudence. It only became a free speech issue after dozens of lawsuits from the 1950s through the 1990s.

There was a time where it was obscene to show a man and woman in the same bed on tv. Or, even more obscene, to show an interracial kiss. There was a time when pictures of black people hanging from trees wasn't obscene. Obscenity is extremely subjective and hard to define especially across different generations. Should the government be in charge of defining it for it's people? Or should the people decide that through societal norms?
 
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There was a time where it was obscene to show a man and woman in the same bed on tv. Or, even more obscene, to show an interracial kiss. There was a time when pictures of black people hanging from trees wasn't obscene. Obscenity is extremely subjective and hard to define especially across different generations. Should the government be in charge of defining it for it's people? Or should the people decide that through societal norms?

keep the government out of society!

VIVA LIBERTARIANS!
 
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I don't think I ever denied that fact. I was trying to point out that it is addictive and can ruin your life. You said that people should just stop if it is hurting their life. Tell that to a coke head or a pill popper. Everyone's drug of choice is different but they are all monsters to that particular person. What may be easy for you to turn away from will drag another person down into a pit of despair and eat them alive.

everybody is different too true. I guess I am blessed with not having an addictive personality other than volnation. I know its not like that for everyone and I need to develop more empathy towards that end.
 
There was a time where it was obscene to show a man and woman in the same bed on tv. Or, even more obscene, to show an interracial kiss. There was a time when pictures of black people hanging from trees wasn't obscene. Obscenity is extremely subjective and hard to define especially across different generations. Should the government be in charge of defining it for it's people? Or should the people decide that through societal norms?

Those are all really good points and questions brought up, and it goes back to the prurient interest topic. Historically, obscenity has had a very were more limited in scope, which is why the Miller and Roth cases took the prior restraint 1st Amendment freedom of speech argument. Certainly community standards change over time, but obscenity laws were limited in scope on their application. The argument was that community standards was a form of prior restraint. Yet we still have obscenity laws in place today. My opinion is that the Miller case was way too broad of an application of free speech legal doctrine on a topic that was never about freedom of speech. It was about producing materials that were antithetical to a cohesive society.
 
probably didn't want him cross examined.

Yeah. Sometimes it is better to not talk. If the defense felt they were able to shoot sufficient holes in the prosecution's case then they wouldn't want to give the prosecution an opportunity to return the favor. Knock your closing argument out of the park and make sure you leave that door of reasonable doubt cracked in the jurors' heads.
 
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everybody is different too true. I guess I am blessed with not having an addictive personality other than volnation. I know its not like that for everyone and I need to develop more empathy towards that end.

Yeah addictive substances are handled so differently by different people. Some people can have a few beers on the weekend and it never becomes an issue. Some spiral out of control after one drink. Porn is no different. It can absolutely destroy a marriage, but in a relationship with strong communication and two partners who are absolutely secure, it can be used in moderation just fine.

The comparisons to heroin in this thread are accurate in a sense, but you can make the exact same argument about sugar. It creates the same addictive rush of chemicals in the brain, but I don't see a big push to completely ban it.
 
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What if you made homemade porn with your gf and watch it together? Is it just as bad for your relationship?

Asking for a friend..
 
What if you made homemade porn with your gf and watch it together? Is it just as bad for your relationship?

Asking for a friend..

Don't let it go places it shouldn't be without the others consent.... But the internet is full of this common sense right newt? 😉
 
Na that's like game film... rewatch and correct the mistakes

GF: "See... right there. What the heck were you thinking? You can clearly see where I called an audible but you just went ahead with the original play call. Get your crap together or your *** will be on the bench. You think there's not a second stringer that would love to get some live reps? Get. It. Together!"
 
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