Recruiting Forum Off Topic Thread III

[SLICKYINC]

Always laugh at the Norway arguments

They’re so culturally diverse there. Let’s do exactly what they do..

-Bernie prolly

 

[scvolfan7]

What works in a small Scandinavian country should work everywhere right?

We’re the richest country on earth. The world’s economy is tied to the dollar. We pay for whatever we want. Instead of never ending wars and bailing out bankers let’s get people in gov that will shift that money to education and healthcare

 

[Volsdeep4]

What works in a small Scandinavian country should work everywhere right?

Never said it would

 

[bignewt]

We’re the richest country on earth. The world’s economy is tied to the dollar. We pay for whatever we want. Instead of never ending wars and bailing out bankers let’s get people in gov that will shift that money to education and healthcare

Good luck doing that in a rigged two party system.

 

[pismonque]

I get that the blame for healthcare expense lies on every side. The thing that makes my blood boil with insurance companies is the imposed management of care by remote, disconnected, unqualified clerks following cynically established self-protective guidelines, and whose decisions can ruin or end actual human lives. And neither the actual humans nor the doctors who are trying to help them really have much say in it.

 

[scvolfan7]

Good luck doing that in a rigged two party system.

Bernie is the best shot at achieving it in a two party system.

Unfortunately, the Dem establishment is going to rig the election against him yet again

 

[SLICKYINC]

Bernie is the best shot at achieving it in a two party system.

Unfortunately, the Dem establishment is going to rig the election against him yet again

El o el

 

[bignewt]

Bernie is the best shot at achieving it in a two party system.

Unfortunately, the Dem establishment is going to rig the election against him yet again

Even if by some miracle he was elected he wouldn't be able to make any real change the dems and gop are dug in way to deep getting that lobbyist cheddar. Bernie wants more government control anyway thats not the answer we've seen that song and dance.

 

[Sleegro]

Honestly, the number way we could cut healthcare costs substantially is by telling 90 year old pappy that we aren’t going to rack up $500k worth of care over the last 6 months of his life. Vast majority of healthcare costs can be attributed to end of life care. Places like Japan accept death much easier than us Americans do. We are fighters by nature, but that causes a ton of costs for not much return to be honest. That’s a shift in cultural ideas though, not necessarily the healthcare system itself.

That option exists. They offer hospice end of life care and it provides a ton of stuff no questions asked and it does save a ton of money in the end for the insurance companies and society in general. Last week my grandma was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer. She's 87 and blind and decided she's lived a good life and doesn't want to go through the agony of fighting it. So we've been getting everything set up with hospice for the past few days. They have been a godsend and wonderful to deal with. What you said was probably worded poorly so you probably got some backlash, but it's not totally off base. And a lot of the time it's the family not wanting to let go and not the person who has to go through it.

 

[scvolfan7]

Even if by some miracle he was elected he wouldn't be able to make any real change the dems and gop are dug in way to deep getting that lobbyist cheddar. Bernie wants more government control anyway thats not the answer we've seen that song and dance.

Bernie absolutely does not want more gov control. He understands that it can be used to the benefit of the citizens. Last time we had a president that did that, he won 4 elections in a row.

 

[bignewt]

Bernie absolutely does not want more gov control. He understands that it can be used to the benefit of the citizens. Last time we had a president that did that, he won 4 elections in a row.

We also were in a great depression and a world war...

Bernie is a socialist. Big government is the cornerstone.

 

[SLICKYINC]

Bernie absolutely does not want more gov control. He understands that it can be used to the benefit of the citizens. Last time we had a president that did that, he won 4 elections in a row.

You talking about Bernie Madoff?

 

[SweetasSoda]

Bernie absolutely does not want more gov control. He understands that it can be used to the benefit of the citizens. Last time we had a president that did that, he won 4 elections in a row.

And started us on the generational dependence of welfare with each generation becoming more dependent.

 

[chargervol]

If my sickness somehow started a political conversation, I'll go see a flipping faith healer instead.

 

[pismonque]

Pretty sure we're gonna get all these differences resolved tonight. So that'll be cool, and then we can talk about sillier things. Like maybe abortion.

 

[Sleegro]

Please review the VA system. That's universal healthcare in America. Yes you may not go in debt with "medical bills" but a health situation could still place you in debt in a different way. No thank you.

I'd like the universal care that Congress gets. Everyone is to blame, insurance, hospitals, pharmacies, everyone. If we want to fix health care then we have to make Congress use the same health care as the rest of the country.

 

[scvolfan7]

We also were in a great depression and a world war...

Bernie is a socialist. Big government is the cornerstone.

Real socialism would be the exact opposite of that. It would mean that the workers collectively own whatever labor they were involved. No gov. Bernie and the average joe’s definition of socialism is “the gov does stuff”. Which is used to scare people when it really shouldn’t. Gov can be used to help people like the new deal did for the Great Depression.

America is in desperate need of a second new deal. Our infrastructure is crumbling all around the country due to inactivity and stupidity. Lots and lots of jobs. Lots and lots of new cash flow to help reestablish the middle class

 

[tomq_123]

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Premiums have been up and some markets arent even writing new business in hurricane zones. Perhaps @tomq_123 can provide some knowledge as he is direct in property. I'm in WC, GL and commerical auto

I’m a software guy so I don’t get a lot of info on the overall company, but I would assume high risk areas (Southern and NE Coasts and California) are either not insurable or have very high premiums. That being said, premiums are highly regulated at the state level so that might impact the risk they are willing to take in those areas.

 

[tomq_123]

I'd like the universal care that Congress gets. Everyone is to blame, insurance, hospitals, pharmacies, everyone. If we want to fix health care then we have to make Congress use the same health care as the rest of the country.

This.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Pretty sure we're gonna get all these differences resolved tonight. So that'll be cool, and then we can talk about sillier things. Like maybe abortion.

How do you feel about waterboarding?

 

[UpstateVol613]

If my sickness somehow started a political conversation, I'll go see a flipping faith healer instead.

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This is all you need brother.

 

[Sleegro]

How do you feel about waterboarding?

Depends. Which poster did you want me to waterboard? There's a few that wouldn't hurt my feelings. Haha jk. Kinda.

 

[SweetasSoda]

If my sickness somehow started a political conversation, I'll go see a flipping faith healer instead.

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[OrangenSC]

Yep. I think we’d all pay more in taxes if it meant 1) elimination of health insurance premium 2) we (and our loved ones) are taken care of it when we need it and 3) the money is spent more effectively.
Medicare for all checks all of those boxes. There are warts in the system - of course there are. But drastic measures have to be taken so people are taken care of.

As a matter of principle there are good arguments for Medicare for all or something similar. (But aren't there good arguments for just about any issue?) My major issue with it is the gov. Any time the government is involved you know for sure it isn't going to be effective and efficient. I've never been able to think of a single gov agency, program, enterprise, etc. that was effective and efficient. The military probably comes the closest. It has the effective part down, but certainly not the efficient part. All gov programs are just a huge money pit. Of course we probably all know the reason why; and it doesn't have to be that way.

So, if we could figure out a way to execute the Medicare of all concept without gov involvement I'd be for it. And being better than what we have now isn't good enough for me. But as is....

 

[Sleegro]

As a matter of principle there are good arguments for Medicare for all or something similar. (But aren't there good arguments for just about any issue?) My major issue with it is the gov. Any time the government is involved you know for sure it isn't going to be effective and efficient. I've never been able to think of a single gov agency, program, enterprise, etc. that was effective and efficient. The military probably comes the closest. It has the effective part down, but certainly not the efficient part. All gov programs are just a huge money pit. Of course we probably all know the reason why; and it doesn't have to be that way.

So, if we could figure out a way to execute the Medicare of all concept without gov involvement I'd be for it. And being better than what we have now isn't good enough for me. But as is....

Most huge companies struggle with efficiency and effectiveness. Anything that large deals with bureaucracy. I'm not pro large government but think that argument is a blanket statement that lacks some neccessary nuance. Health care has been broken for decades.