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Devo182 said:
Do you think Biden is less or more electable than Sanders?

I'm not really sure either way, but my thought process is: he may steal a lot of the middle votes (many middles would never lean to Bernie), maybe lose some young voter turnout, but gain in AA turnout.

I think the general election looks really close either way. I've seen 1v1 polls very recently go either way within a small margin..
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Biden, as weak as he is. Capitalism vs socialism in the general election is a beatdown. Biden may at least be able to pull some moderates, union voters, etc. Sanders would not.

But I guarantee you the DNC prefers Biden over Sanders, if for no other reason than if Biden is elected the current Democrat establishment retains control of the party. Since the Democrat nominee is effectively head of the partly, a Sanders nomination would have made him head of the party and he would have been able to put his people into top positions in the DNC, something that I am quite sure terrified the Clintons.
 
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Devo182 said:
Do you think Biden is less or more electable than Sanders?

I'm not really sure either way, but my thought process is: he may steal a lot of the middle votes (many middles would never lean to Bernie), maybe lose some young voter turnout, but gain in AA turnout.

I think the general election looks really close either way. I've seen 1v1 polls very recently go either way within a small margin..
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i think the big bet is on biden being able to tap the obama '08/'12 coalition. sanders excites the younger voters, but in the primary the youth vote wasn't exceeding '16 numbers, which he needed to do.
 
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Devo182 said:
Do you think Biden is less or more electable than Sanders?

I'm not really sure either way, but my thought process is: he may steal a lot of the middle votes (many middles would never lean to Bernie), maybe lose some young voter turnout, but gain in AA turnout.

I think the general election looks really close either way. I've seen 1v1 polls very recently go either way within a small margin..
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Really close? I'll put money on that.
 
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MarcoVol said:
Lol ok? Clay Travis trying to rile up one side vs the other. Color me shocked.

Trump downplayed it at first but absolutely, he’s come around and taken action that was needed. He and his team of medical professionals have been doing fine with this recently.

You do realize they’re the ones encouraging you to stay home, right? So really you’re complaining about Trump in one breath and how this is ruining the economy, yet praising him in the next breath bc Clay Travis said so

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He 100% botched it the first few weeks and the response could have been much better and saved many more lives. There is no debating the terrible job early on.

But, eventually, he did get in line and repeat what his advisors told him to. He did what nearly every other leader did. Good for him. A real bronze star effort.

His actions in the private sector would deserve being reprimanded.
 
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Devo182 said:
He 100% botched it the first few weeks and the response could have been much better and saved many more lives. There is no debating the terrible job early on.

But, eventually, he did get in line and repeat what his advisors told him to. He did what nearly every other leader did. Good for him. A real bronze star effort.

His actions in the private sector would deserve being reprimanded.
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lol
 
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SLICKYINC said:
Some folks learned nothing from the last election..
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i assume you're referring to erroneous polling from 2016. there's a stark difference between admitting to a pollster that you're voting for a reality show host that's never dabbled in politics in his life vs wanting to reelect the president of the united states. the unaccounted for problem from 2016 is much less of an issue now. there's plenty of reason to believe the RCP average is much more inline with reality.

"A conglomerate of top pollsters released an autopsy report last week on polling in the 2016 election — specifically, what went wildly wrong in overwhelming predictions of a Hillary Clinton presidency.
The analysis, released Thursday by the American Association for Public Opinion Research, found that the biggest culprit was state-level polling underestimating the level of Trump's support, most importantly in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.

There were a number of reasons for the discrepancy, the study concluded.

The big three were a substantive change in vote preference during the campaign's final days, a failure to properly adjust for an overrepresentation of college graduates, and many Trump voters failing to reveal their preferences until after the election. The last point could have also been the result of late-deciding Trump voters, the report said."
 
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Geaux_Vols said:
the real clear politics average has biden +6 right now. i think the actual margin will be much closer than that one way or the other, and there's a long way to go, but i don't think trump is going to run away with it.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - General Election: Trump vs. Biden
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Popular vote is almost always close. I think it will be difficult for Biden though in the electoral college vote, especially if the party allows him to debate Trump. And the RNC will hammer voters with ads of things Biden said in the primaries to appeal to the far left of his party.
 
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Geaux_Vols said:
i assume you're referring to erroneous polling from 2016. there's a stark difference between admitting to a pollster that you're voting for a reality show host that's never dabbled in politics in his life vs wanting to reelect the president of the united states. the unaccounted for problem from 2016 is much less of an issue now. there's plenty of reason to believe the RCP average is much more inline with reality.
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Yes that is exactly what I’m referring. The same thing is going to happen again. People will bitch and moan around their friends and colleagues about being a never Trumper, vote for him again and claim they voted for the other guy. Biden might very well win the pop vote but, I have a hard time seeing him win where it counts.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
Popular vote is almost always close. I think it will be difficult for Biden though in the electoral college vote, especially if the party allows him to debate Trump. And the RNC will hammer voters with ads of things Biden said in the primaries to appeal to the far left of his party.
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i think the debate issue cuts both ways. biden is 100% a gaffe machine, and has soured the farther left of the party on a lot of issues, but he's got a much firmer grasp of policy than trump (that's just not his style) and trump isn't keen on putting himself in positions where he can be confronted about things he's said or done. i'll be shocked if there's any debate at all. re: electorial college, i think biden does better than clinton in the rust belt, which is pretty much what tipped the election to trump.
 
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Devo182 said:
He 100% botched it the first few weeks and the response could have been much better and saved many more lives. There is no debating the terrible job early on.

But, eventually, he did get in line and repeat what his advisors told him to. He did what nearly every other leader did. Good for him. A real bronze star effort.

His actions in the private sector would deserve being reprimanded.
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Thank goodness he shut the China and Europe flights down early, while being called a xenophobe and racist by Biden and the rest of the liberal media. And who knows how much early response and actions could have taken place had Congress been holding hearings on this and other related issues rather than only focusing on how to get Trump impeached? Adam Schiff(chairman of the House Intelligence Committee), Pelosi and the rest only had one focus during Dec. and January and wouldn't even schedule or allow hearings even though they had knowledge. So to finish my point, I for one will debate you tooth and nail on this.
 
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Geaux_Vols said:
i think the debate issue cuts both ways. biden is 100% a gaffe machine, and has soured the further left of the party on a lot of issues, but he's got a much firmer grasp of policy than trump (that's just not his style) and trump isn't keen on putting himself in positions where he can be confronted about things he's said or done. i'll be shocked if there's any debate at all. re: electorial college, i think biden does better than clinton in the rust belt, which is pretty much what tipped the election to trump.
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You may be right but I think Biden really hurt himself by saying if elected he would immediately stop fracking, which currently affects 21 states, including most of the Rust Belt.
 
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SLICKYINC said:
Yes that is exactly what I’m referring. The same thing is going to happen again. People will bitch and moan around their friends and colleagues about being a never Trumper, vote for him again and claim they voted for the other guy. Biden might very well win the pop vote but, I have a hard time seeing him win where it counts.
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yeah, i don't know. its really not the same thing at all. saying you want to reelect the president isn't a fringe political position.

biden prob wins the pop vote, but the whole election really comes down to a few thousand votes in the rust belt. biden is doing better with white uneducated voters in that area than clinton did.
 
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GiggerVol said:
Thank goodness he shut the China and Europe flights down early, while being called a xenophobe and racist by Biden and the rest of the liberal media. And who knows how much early response and actions could have taken place had Congress been holding hearings on this and other related issues rather than only focusing on how to get Trump impeached? Adam Schiff(chairman of the House Intelligence Committee), Pelosi and the rest only had one focus during Dec. and January and wouldn't even schedule or allow hearings even though they had knowledge. So to finish my point, I for one will debate you tooth and nail on this.
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You need to cut back on the Fox News. That entertainment channel is influencing you too much.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
You may be right but I think Biden really hurt himself by saying if elected he would immediately stop fracking, which currently affects 21 states, including most of the Rust Belt.
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yeah i agree. i suspect that position shifts as we get into the general.
 
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Geaux_Vols said:
yeah, i don't know. its really not the same thing at all. saying you want to reelect the president isn't a fringe political position.

biden prob wins the pop vote, but the whole election really comes down to a few thousand votes in the rust belt. biden is doing better with white uneducated voters in that area than clinton did.
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I guess for me. I just wonder how many Bernie bros Biden can pull over, he needs them. 15% said they won’t vote for him. So, do they just not vote or does Trump pull them over? We’ll see..
 
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SLICKYINC said:
I guess for me. I just wonder how many Bernie bros Biden can pull over, he needs them. 15% said they won’t vote for him. So, do they just not vote or does Trump pull them over? We’ll see..
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yeah, that's going to be a problem for biden for sure, perhaps THE problem. i suspect they sit out instead of voting for trump, but if biden can't pull them onboard, he's going to have issues.
 
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Wadetime said:
You need to cut back on the Fox News. That entertainment channel is influencing you too much.
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Just stating facts my friend. I watch many entertainment and news channels and while I do prefer Fox News for my national news, I occasionally flip to one of the other but mainly to laugh at their bs insanity
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
Popular vote is almost always close. I think it will be difficult for Biden though in the electoral college vote, especially if the party allows him to debate Trump. And the RNC will hammer voters with ads of things Biden said in the primaries to appeal to the far left of his party.
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Dems have to hope the economy doesn't get back on track before November. It's their only hope. And then they can spin it and blame it on Trump and say they can fix the economy, even though we had the greatest economy in history under Trump and his administration. People are going to vote based upon their wallets and their wallets have been awfully fat under Trump
 
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