Recruiting Forum Off Topic Thread III

[GoBigOrange86]

And they withheld care of the elderly. That's exactly what happens when you let government control of healthcare. It happens every time. Services are rationed. Our system has out performed all healthcare systems in the world.

I'm advocating everyone should pay their own health insurance. It's not my responsibility to pay for yours and it not your responsibility to pay for mine. If everyone took responsibility for their own healthcare prices would drop, and it would become more affordable.

I used to offer healthcare insurance for my employees. Obamacare ruined that. Couldn't secure a carrier. Was told to send employees to the exchange. Another way the .gov screwed the pooch.

I had an employee come into the office the other day asking whether we/me would offer health insurance again. I told him we'd look into it again but I asked him a question... I asked him if he'd rather have a $2/hr raise or healthcare policy. He thought for a min and said I think the healthcare policy. I said $2/hr raise was more money than me providing a health insurance plan. I said also, you would control your health insurance. You wouldn't be held hostage by whatever company you work for. If you were fired, you wouldn't lose your health insurance. If you left for another job you could choose the job based on what you liked and not by whether the company offered health insurance or not.

Bottom line is, it's not the tax payers responsibility to pay for another's healthcare.

It's rationed now, just through a different mechanism. Demand outstrips supply.

Health insurance is far too expensive and ideally should be decoupled from employment entirely, but we're still paying for FDR's sins on that one.

 

[gainesvol82]

Reps never brought Obama up for impeachment. They never made up hoaxes to accuse him of breaking the law. No president in American history has been treated like our current president. That’s a fact.

Obama was constantly disrespected in ways that no other president was before him and it set a bad precedent that will probably continue.

You have to admit that Trump has acted ridiculously since his campaign and set the stage for people to hate him....not talking about his politics. I'm glad that he hasn't gone that route during this crisis. He has been much more likeable.

 

[InVOLuntary]

The truth is whether or not you believe that charity is a government function. I think it's fine if you think it should be, this is a free country. I think it stings a little though if you break it down in simple terms that you believe hard working Sally that puts in 50 hours a week down the street at the local hardware store should have to pay for lazy Billy Bob healthcare that refuses to get a job and relies on sugar momas all around town for food on the table and a warm bed to sleep in and walking around money.

It’s wild to me people willingly give 10-20% or more of their earnings to their church every week yet some of those same people scoff at the very idea of having 10-20% of their earnings go towards helping others in need, for instance to help pay for others’ basic healthcare.

I’m not saying anyone is right or wrong or one system is better than the other, i just find it fascinating.

 

[InVOLuntary]

It's rationed now, just through a different mechanism. Demand outstrips supply.

Health insurance is far too expensive and ideally should be decoupled from employment entirely, but we're still paying for FDR's sins on that one.

I agree. The cost side needs addressing. To address the cost side it needs to be opened up to competition. Ever wonder why the docs and hospital have two prices? The cash price and insurance price?

 

[MarcoVol]

Reps never brought Obama up for impeachment. They never made up hoaxes to accuse him of breaking the law. No president in American history has been treated like our current president. That’s a fact.

Sorry, I missed the part where Democrats tried to delegitimize Trump’s presidency by falsely claiming he wasn’t an American. And by the way, Trump was a huge champion of the birther movement soooo.... hypocrisy much?

 

[gainesvol82]

And they withheld care of the elderly. That's exactly what happens when you let government control of healthcare. It happens every time. Services are rationed. Our system has out performed all healthcare systems in the world.

I'm advocating everyone should pay their own health insurance. It's not my responsibility to pay for yours and it not your responsibility to pay for mine. If everyone took responsibility for their own healthcare prices would drop, and it would become more affordable.

I used to offer healthcare insurance for my employees. Obamacare ruined that. Couldn't secure a carrier. Was told to send employees to the exchange. Another way the .gov screwed the pooch.

I had an employee come into the office the other day asking whether we/me would offer health insurance again. I told him we'd look into it again but I asked him a question... I asked him if he'd rather have a $2/hr raise or healthcare policy. He thought for a min and said I think the healthcare policy. I said $2/hr raise was more money than me providing a health insurance plan. I said also, you would control your health insurance. You wouldn't be held hostage by whatever company you work for. If you were fired, you wouldn't lose your health insurance. If you left for another job you could choose the job based on what you liked and not by whether the company offered health insurance or not.

Bottom line is, it's not the tax payers responsibility to pay for another's healthcare.

To be fair, the US was looking at a scenario where we would have had to turn people away if we had been inundated like Italy was. Glad it didn't come to that.

 

[volatil]

I agree. The cost side needs addressing. To address the cost side it needs to be opened up to competition. Ever wonder why the docs and hospital have two prices? The cash price and insurance price?

Oooooohhhhhh pick me! I know this one

 

[InVOLuntary]

To be fair, the US was looking at a scenario where we would have had to turn people away if we had been inundated like Italy was. Glad it didn't come to that.

That's what the projections said, yes.

 

[GoBigOrange86]

I agree. The cost side needs addressing. To address the cost side it needs to be opened up to competition. Ever wonder why the docs and hospital have two prices? The cash price and insurance price?

Also Certificates of Need are ridiculous.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Also Certificates of Need are ridiculous.

The advent of the copay was disastrous. People go to the Dr for the slightest thing. Get the sniffles, go to the Dr. Cut your finger go to the Dr, don't need stiches, but just to make sure. People run to the Dr for just about anything because it's so easy.

Back when I was first starting a career, my comooany offered health insurance. It was a basic 80/20 with no copays. Drs visits were affordable but would sting just enough to not go to the Dr unless you really needed it. With the HSAs now, it's a similar setup.

I went for a physical the other day. My insurance pays for a physical every year, but I haven't had one in five. Everything was good but my BP was slightly high. My BP usually runs 130ish over 80ish. My doc said he might want to put me on some meds. I said naw, I'm good. He said I want to check you again in 6 weeks. I said ok but have since cancelled it. No need in me paying $60 for him to check my BP.

I went back in January for what I thought was a UTI. Turns out it wasn't but I saw the Nurse practitioner. Guess what? They charge the same as if the Dr saw me. We could do alot by seeing nps at a lesser cost for 99% of what we need from a medical professional.

 

[volatil]

The advent of the copay was disastrous. People go to the Dr for the slightest thing. Get the sniffles, go to the Dr. Cut your finger go to the Dr, don't need stiches, but just to make sure. People run to the Dr for just about anything because it's so easy.

Back when I was first starting a career, my comooany offered health insurance. It was a basic 80/20 with no copays. Drs visits were affordable but would sting just enough to not go to the Dr unless you really needed it. With the HSAs now, it's a similar setup.

I went for a physical the other day. My insurance pays for a physical every year, but I haven't had one in five. Everything was good but my BP was slightly high. My BP usually runs 130ish over 80ish. My doc said he might want to put me on some meds. I said naw, I'm good. He said I want to check you again in 6 weeks. I said ok but have since cancelled it. No need in me paying $60 for him to check my BP.

I went back in January for what I thought was a UTI. Turns out it wasn't but I saw the Nurse practitioner. Guess what? They charge the same as if the Dr saw me. We could do alot by seeing nps at a lesser cost for 99% of what we need from a medical professional.

Physicians can bill Medicare at a rate of 85% for my services. 20 something states have in acted full practice authority for NPs. Tennessee is not one of them. This would expand access to healthcare to many. Physicians obviously disagree with this. Many of my colleagues also disagree. I’m in a clinic now with no other providers. I have 830 patients. I have a “supervising physician” who is required to review 10% of my charts. He’s not in my clinic on a daily basis. Required to visit the clinic once every so often by law. He’s never questioned me about anything. I like the ability to bounce ideas off of him but that’s about the extent of our interaction. These are MY PATIENTS. I treat them.

There are tons of studies that show the cost reduction associated with FPA. This is probably where my doc friends on here stop agreeing with me

 

[InVOLuntary]

Physicians can bill Medicare at a rate of 85% for my services. 20 something states have in acted full practice authority for NPs. Tennessee is not one of them. This would expand access to healthcare to many. Physicians obviously disagree with this. Many of my colleagues also disagree. I’m in a clinic now with no other providers. I have 830 patients. I have a “supervising physician” who is required to review 10% of my charts. He’s not in my clinic on a daily basis. Required to visit the clinic once every so often by law. He’s never questioned me about anything. I like the ability to bounce ideas off of him but that’s about the extent of our interaction. These are MY PATIENTS. I treat them.

There are tons of studies that show the cost reduction associated with FPA. This is probably where my doc friends on here stop agreeing with me

Well duh. They'd rather whore you out than compete with you.

 

[volatil]

Well duh. They'd rather whore you out than compete with you.

True

 

[Jackcrevol]

How is asking you a question putting words in your mouth? It was a simple question. If you are for government healthcare, you are for others paying for others healthcare.

People look at government and don't make the connection that government money is money that is taken from hard working people. When you're an advocate for any government entitlement, you are an advocate for taking money from one and giving it to another.

youre attempting to lead me into a certain direction, to prove your point.

See Geaux's response.

 

[InVOLuntary]

youre attempting to lead me into a certain direction, to prove your point.

See Geaux's response.

Im not leading you anywhere, bud. It was a simple question. Your lack of response speaks volumes. If you feel that way you are free to. You should own it. My point has been made perfectly clear.

 

[Weezer]

Sorry, I missed the part where Democrats tried to delegitimize Trump’s presidency by falsely claiming he wasn’t an American. And by the way, Trump was a huge champion of the birther movement soooo.... hypocrisy much?

Birther movement was wrong, though some forget that Hillary supporters, not Hillary herself, also pushed it in 2008. It wasn't unique to Republicans or Trump, though Trump absolutely took the ball and ran with it way too far. But that doesn't justify the Democrats in turn trying to delegitimize Trump's presidency by accusing him of colluding with Russia and basically being a Russian agent. And the Dems took that a lot further than the birther movement went. Neither side is innocent and both sides love their political theater. The system is broke, and it's the fault of both sides, not one.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Im not leading you anywhere, bud. It was a simple question. Your lack of response speaks volumes. If you feel that way you are free to. You should own it. My point has been made perfectly clear.

I own that I support the existing law in place. Is it better than it's forbear? No. Your party made a huge deal of stomping its beat and beating the war drum last election.

Only to 'repeal and replace', effectively doing nothing. People now have a chance to get coverage they need if they want it. So it costs me a little bit extra. My family doesnt go without. You continue being you.

 

[Devo182]

How is asking you a question putting words in your mouth? It was a simple question. If you are for government healthcare, you are for others paying for others healthcare.

People look at government and don't make the connection that government money is money that is taken from hard working people. When you're an advocate for any government entitlement, you are an advocate for taking money from one and giving it to another.

It is all of insurance. The healthy overpay for the sick and elderly. It is what it is.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

 

[InVOLuntary]

I own that I support the existing law in place. Is it better than it's forbear? No. Your party made a huge deal of stomping its beat and beating the war drum last election.

Only to 'repeal and replace', effectively doing nothing. People now have a chance to get coverage they need if they want it. So it costs me a little bit extra. My family doesnt go without. You continue being you.

There you go assuming my party.

So just to be clear, you're ok with the government providing charity? You think that's the governments job?

 

[InVOLuntary]

It is all of insurance. The healthy overpay for the sick and elderly. It is what it is.

I agree. That's the way all insurance works. It's a cooperative. I'm definitely not anti-insurance, I'm anti-government insurance. I'm against the government redistributing wealth. I'm against government entitlements all together.

And, I'll add, I'm all for helping those that can't help themselves. I'm also not against helping those that need a bridge. If we took care of those that couldn't and helped those just through a tough time, then we'd have plenty of revenue. Problem is government assistance is like a very addictive drug, once people go on it, many lose their desire to get off it.

We've become a dependent society that can't wipe their backsides without some form of government assistance. We should be embarrassed as a nation we've become so dependent.

 

[gainesvol82]

I agree. That's the way all insurance works. It's a cooperative. I'm definitely not anti-insurance, I'm anti-government insurance. I'm against the government redistributing wealth. I'm against government entitlements all together.

And, I'll add, I'm all for helping those that can't help themselves. I'm also not against helping those that need a bridge. If we took care of those that couldn't and helped those just through a tough time, then we'd have plenty of revenue. Problem is government assistance is like a very addictive drug, once people go on it, many lose their desire to get off it.

We've become a dependent society that can't wipe their backsides without some form of government assistance. We should be embarrassed as a nation we've become so dependent.

I lived in Interlachen, FL (Putnam County) for a while. It is a very poor area with few jobs. The people who do work mostly drive to Gainesville, St. Augustine or Jacksonville....all 3 are between 30 mins to 1.25 hours away.

Retirees make up a good chunk of the population but nearly all of the locals are on welfare, food stamps or get some kind of monthly disability check. It was astounding the number of healthy, able-bodied people that got bogus disability checks due to being "developmentally delayed", some minor health issue, ADHD as a kid or whatever. They basically had a free ride to be stupid and lazy.

The overwhelming majority of those people are addicted to pills, meth, crack or some combination. Most of females trick and all of them would have plenty to blow on drugs for the first week or two of the month and the last 2 weeks would steal from the retirees and stores or cook meth.

The place has some of the highest per capital STD, poverty and addiction rates in the country. It was like living in a pathetic 3rd world cesspool and very few had the motivation to change and get out.

 

[gainesvol82]

Point being that government handouts promoted their lifestyle.

 

[Devo182]

I agree. That's the way all insurance works. It's a cooperative. I'm definitely not anti-insurance, I'm anti-government insurance. I'm against the government redistributing wealth. I'm against government entitlements all together.

And, I'll add, I'm all for helping those that can't help themselves. I'm also not against helping those that need a bridge. If we took care of those that couldn't and helped those just through a tough time, then we'd have plenty of revenue. Problem is government assistance is like a very addictive drug, once people go on it, many lose their desire to get off it.

We've become a dependent society that can't wipe their backsides without some form of government assistance. We should be embarrassed as a nation we've become so dependent.

There's really no avoiding inequitable distributions of tax revenues. That is the nature of everyone living different lives in a varied world. Yet, we still want to fund things that will hopefully help society.

Red states typically gain more than they send to Washington. Most blue states too. People pay for urban roads when they live in the woods, and vice versa. Poor people pay local taxes for airports that rich people will use, and most transit services are inequitable toward the middle and rich, as they live longer, therefore they get more years of benefit of this infrastructure. Meanwhile, the middle and upper classes tend to fund services of safety nets for the worst-off.

That's life.

Fwiw, most on govt assistance tend to get off of it relatively soon. 1/3 within 1 year. A majority are off within 3 years. I get that some may take advantage, but I don't get scrapping massive safety nets because a few cheat. People cheat every system mankind has ever created, public or private. We have to do a good job of auditing and guarding the use of our public funds, but that doesn't mean we end critical services anymore than a bank fires all its tellers, when a small percentage will steal money.

 

[InVOLuntary]

There's really no avoiding inequitable distributions of tax revenues. That is the nature of everyone living different lives in a varied world. Yet, we still want to fund things that will hopefully help society.

Red states typically gain more than they send to Washington. Most blue states too. People pay for urban roads when they live in the woods, and vice versa. Poor people pay local taxes for airports that rich people will use, and most transit services are inequitable toward the middle and rich, as they live longer, therefore they get more years of benefit of this infrastructure. Meanwhile, the middle and upper classes tend to fund services of safety nets for the worst-off.

That's life.

Fwiw, most on govt assistance tend to get off of it relatively soon. 1/3 within 1 year. A majority are off within 3 years. I get that some may take advantage, but I don't get scrapping massive safety nets because a few cheat. People cheat every system mankind has ever created, public or private. We have to do a good job of auditing and guarding the use of our public funds, but that doesn't mean we end critical services anymore than a bank fires all its tellers, when a small percentage will steal money.

Some are not cheating they're just exploiting the system. Where are you getting your numbers?

My point still stands,. We have evolved into a dependent society. Entitlements make up 50% of the federal budget.