Recruiting Forum Off Topic Thread III

[GoBigOrange86]

Too bad literacy tests were used for such abjectly racist reasons because a basic understanding of government would make me feel a lot better about people voting.

 

[MarcoVol]

Marco Polo continues to love you tommieboy or is it. Commieboy. Isn’t that special

JacketVol I do believe you have a crush on me

 

[Devo182]

That's bull and that's exactly why the EC was created.

EC was created vs congressmen directly voting. Those were the 2 main positions argued. Popular vote was hardly in the debate at the time because of the obvious lack of information for all citizens at the time. The Southern states also needed a system based on population, not just eligible voters (obviously due to slave populations).

 

[Jackcrevol]

Too bad literacy tests were used for such abjectly racist reasons because a basic understanding of government would make me feel a lot better about people voting.

Fortunately criteria doesnt include any such caveats. Its protected by the Consitutution.

Drivers licenses & moving districts are ass surd.

 

[GoBigOrange86]

Fortunately criteria doesnt include any such caveats. Its protected by the Consitutution.

Drivers licenses & moving districts are ass surd.

I mean, I have to jump through all kinds of hoops to exercise my Second Amendment rights.

 

[Devo182]

It's was put in place so 3-4 states don't have sole choice as to who is elected president. Exactly bthe way it is now.

So, did the 2016 election's 4 biggest states' popular votes highly favor dems over the EC votes?

Pop vote:
56.5% of CA, TX, FL, NY H2H votes were dem. 43.5% Repub.

Out of electoral votes: 56.4% Dem won. 43.6% Repub.

But imagine if Clinton had just gotten another 57k votes (out of over 10m) in Florida. The popular vote is basically unchanged, yet ECs would have been:
76% dems
24% repubs

Point being...it is stupid how far off these things can be due to a mere swing state and a handful of votes. If ECs tend to be representative of population anyway (minus D.C., Wyoming, Vermont, maybe 1-2 other)...why not just avoid all the nonsense and giving swing states so much power, while disenfranchising people in non-swing states? Every vote equally...it is almost too simple.

And no this isn't a partisan view. I grew up quite conservative and would have voted Repub as a teen, but thought it was outdated all along. I get why it happened originally, especially from southern states' perspectives.

 

[Devo182]

Alright boys I invested 1000 dollars into stocks. Did it all myself. Yikes

Boom! Good luck sir.

 

[Devo182]

Frankly I’d like to go back to the original conception of the electoral college and have a more indirectly-elected president. That or abolish primaries/caucuses and let party members at the convention choose the nominee.

Neither of those are happening though, so if we were going to modify the electoral college I’d have electors assigned by congressional district rather than by winner-take-all, which suppresses voting in states that are solidly red or solidly blue.

Yeah I could go for split votes. It at least gets us closer to the actual vote by the people. Winner takes all is just absurd...

 

[Devo182]

Depends on what you mean by "equal say". If you are saying a person's voice in Wyoming should be equal to a person's voice on California, then yes.

If you are saying Wyoming, with its smaller population, should not have an equal vote to California in a presidential election, then I would point out that it doesn't.

Electoral College delegates
California 55
Wyoming 3

But they aren't. A vote in Wyoming is worth 3 votes in California. Seems equitable......

 

[Crazy Ivan]

But they aren't. A vote in Wyoming is worth 3 votes in California. Seems equitable......

English please.

 

[JacketVol]

its a complex issue. there are over 3m people in the US that don't have a photo id according to a study by NYU. the extremely short answer is not everyone can afford it or have access to getting one, which effectively makes it a poll tax.

If you pass a law, you can basically get it provided for say a 2 dollar fee. That should make it affordable. Heck, prove by your taxes you are below a certain income line and it could be for free.

 

[Rishvol]

English please.

He's saying Wyoming isn't important

 

[bignewt]

Yeah I could go for split votes. It at least gets us closer to the actual vote by the people. Winner takes all is just absurd...

Nebraska and Maine split their votes I believe.

 

[Jackcrevol]

I mean, I have to jump through all kinds of hoops to exercise my Second Amendment rights.

i havent opened a large hole in someone's chest by pressing a voting button...last time i checked.

 

[bignewt]

Boom! Good luck sir.

Just don't get down on yourself for bad decisions because there aren't any, its all a gamble.

 

[Jackcrevol]

He's saying Wyoming isn't important

Wyoming is important....
























if you're a Moose.

 

[Devo182]

I don't know how much credit he actually deserves for the economy and unemployment. The economy is a complex and fickle beast and the difference a president makes can be hard to discern.

I just don't think he's very good at the job of being president, though I don't think he did a terrible job with the coronavirus response.

Yup, both growth and unemployment have been gaining ground since 2010. GDP and unemployment gains both slowed in 2019, but gdp still strong.

 

[Geaux_Vols]

If you pass a law, you can basically get it provided for say a 2 dollar fee. That should make it affordable. Heck, prove by your taxes you are below a certain income line and it could be for free.

i agree that it should be free, but the senate isn't exactly making it easier to vote these days.

 

[Devo182]

If you pass a law, you can basically get it provided for say a 2 dollar fee. That should make it affordable. Heck, prove by your taxes you are below a certain income line and it could be for free.

Generally good, but it also makes me think - quite a few poor people won't file taxes/don't have to file taxes. Especially elderly or disabled on SS/SSI.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

I don't know how much credit he actually deserves for the economy and unemployment. The economy is a complex and fickle beast and the difference a president makes can be hard to discern.

I just don't think he's very good at the job of being president, though I don't think he did a terrible job with the coronavirus response.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/economic-optimism-tax-cut-bonuses-trump-credit/

 

[GoBigOrange86]

i havent opened a large hole in someone's chest by pressing a voting button...last time i checked.

Not sure this is the best argument when you consider the atrocities (e.g. Vietnam) people have enabled through their votes.

 

[JacketVol]

Generally good, but it also makes me think - quite a few poor people won't file taxes/don't have to file taxes. Especially elderly or disabled on SS/SSI.

they get it free. You get a car you get a car type of thing

 

[GiggerVol]

Truly hope that every person who wants to vote gets too.

its a complex issue. there are over 3m people in the US that don't have a photo id according to a study by NYU. the extremely short answer is not everyone can afford it or have access to getting one, which effectively makes it a poll tax.

How many states are there, if any, that still issue driver licenses without a photo? And since that study was from a college in NY, I wonder how many of the 3 mil are illegals to begin with?

 

[bignewt]

Trump doesn't war. If he did we would have already been in one. Lord knows Bolton tried hard enough to push Trump into one.

Also every president knows what is a sure way to get out of a recession/depression...

War.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Former CNN pundit: Network is officially 'Leftist State Media' after Trump chyron coverage


“There's no doubt about it, CNN is trying to fix the presidential election. They don't even pretend to a journalistic enterprise anymore,” Media Research Center vice president Dan Gainor told Fox News.