Recruiting Forum Off Topic Thread III

[Crazy Ivan]

And fox news treats trump the same way they treated obama? Come on, be fair. Each party essentially has their own channel favoring a particular party.

Which is fine if a network admits it. FoxNews was created to provide news for conservatives because they weren't getting it from the existing media. They have never hid that. But while they have conservative opinion hosts like Hannity, they also have serious journalists like Chris Wallace and Bill Hemmer, and they have paid Democrat commentators on staff like Juan Williams. MSNBC pretty much has given up the moniker of balanced news coverage and acknowledged they are all in to get trump. But CNN still acts indignant when their blatant bias is pointed out (see the exchange between former ABC anchor Ted Koppel and current CNN host Brian Seltzer), even though almost everyone else is aware of it. CNN's ratings have been collapsing because of it. MSNBC's as well, although not as bad as CNN's. CNN has also been racked by lawsuits over their BS. They recently settled with the 16-year old Covington, KY kid, who CNN and the rest of the msm tried to destroy. He had sued CN for a qtr billion dollars; CNN settled out of court, so you can assume they likely paid out over $100m to make that disappear. The young man still has an ongoing lawsuit against the Washington Post as well. CNN also has opn lawsuits against it by Congressman Devin Nunes and others. MSNBC had to retract a statement made in the fall when one of their hosts, Lawrence O'Donnell tells his audience that Trump is still actively working with Russian agents.

What is happening is that Trump came in Day 1 and started hitting back at the BS, and it has inspired other conservatives to decide they are no longer going to sit back and let the msm just throw out whatever damaging crap they want, and who cares if it is not true. So you are seeing serious pushback and the msm is beginning to lose its collective mind.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I don’t trust this guy at all

Bill Gates slams Trump's decision to halt WHO funding: 'As dangerous as it sounds'

He's a huge socialist. He's a globalist. I wouldn't trust him with anything.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I'm curious on ya'll's opinions on this question. Who should be eligible to vote? And what should be required as identification when voting? Here is my opinion: Any person voting in this country should be required to show a photo id and proof of citizenship. For those shut in or overseas, out of state, etc, there should be a form requiring correct address, name, social security number, etc so you and the election commission know you are legit. Absolutely no illegals should be able to cast a ballot at any time nor do I think criminals should be allowed to vote.
And for the record, I am for legal immigration. And I wholeheartedly support those who follow the laws and do it the right way.

This is called common sense. Imagine any other country in the world inviting Americans to vote in their elections. It’s absurd on its face. Citizens of a nation vote. Period. But then the dems are in trouble so they fight for voter fraud and illegal voting

 

[Crazy Ivan]

You must not have twitter.

I don't, but I watch news outlets that show his twitter account. We obviously have different ideas on what throwing a fit means, although I will say I think he has every right to be angry. But so far I haven't seen any evidence of him unleashing the IRS on any liberal 3rd parties or have the FBI spy on his political opponents, so I wouldn't be too worried about him displaying his annoyance on twitter.

 

[#Vol4Life1991]

Show me Fox News manipulating clips of Obama to smear him, show me Fox News calling Obama “deranged” or “insane” or refusing to cover his press conferences. Show me Fox News accusing Biden of being a rapist the way the leftist media accused Kavanaugh without any legit evidence. Show me these things and I’ll agree with you.

Nobody is denying that bias exists in media on both sides. But the left has crossed a line with Trump and are openly attacking him, trying to smear his name, spreading fake news, rumors, and campaigning for his political opponents.

15 Most Ridiculous Moments Fox News Attacked Barack Obama

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

15 Most Ridiculous Moments Fox News Attacked Barack Obama

First of all let me say this, none of these points actually had links showing where Fox News said any of the things. However, I did find some YouTube videos on the first two points, and they were making fun of his suit and his ordering Dijon mustard. They were laughing. A far cry from calling him “the most dangerous president/man in history” and accusing his SC pick of being a rapist, smearing his name with edited videos etc.

Literally the vast majority of these are them making fun of him. I never said Fox News was not bias, their people like Hannity are. clearly. I said, and still say, the level of the left today has never been seen in this country and none of these examples are even close to the way trump has been treated these past 4 years. None of them. Comparing a quip about Dijon mustard to the leftist media running edited clips of trump making it look like he’s praising the confederacy and calling him a Russian agent isn’t in the same ball park. Let’s not forget the difference in coverage over Kavanaugh and Biden

 

[#Vol4Life1991]

Which is fine if a network admits it. FoxNews was created to provide news for conservatives because they weren't getting it from the existing media. They have never hid that. But while they have conservative opinion hosts like Hannity, they also have serious journalists like Chris Wallace and Bill Hemmer, and they have paid Democrat commentators on staff like Juan Williams. MSNBC pretty much has given up the moniker of balanced news coverage and acknowledged they are all in to get trump. But CNN still acts indignant when their blatant bias is pointed out (see the exchange between former ABC anchor Ted Koppel and current CNN host Brian Seltzer), even though almost everyone else is aware of it. CNN's ratings have been collapsing because of it. MSNBC's as well, although not as bad as CNN's. CNN has also been racked by lawsuits over their BS. They recently settled with the 16-year old Covington, KY kid, who CNN and the rest of the msm tried to destroy. He had sued CN for a qtr billion dollars; CNN settled out of court, so you can assume they likely paid out over $100m to make that disappear. The young man still has an ongoing lawsuit against the Washington Post as well. CNN also has opn lawsuits against it by Congressman Devin Nunes and others. MSNBC had to retract a statement made in the fall when one of their hosts, Lawrence O'Donnell tells his audience that Trump is still actively working with Russian agents.

What is happening is that Trump came in Day 1 and started hitting back at the BS, and it has inspired other conservatives to decide they are no longer going to sit back and let the msm just throw out whatever damaging crap they want, and who cares if it is not true. So you are seeing serious pushback and the msm is beginning to lose its collective mind.

just to name a few:
-housing discrimination to african americans in the 70’s

-obama’s birther situation

-central park 5

-scam of trump university

-confessing to sexual assualt (grab her by the p...)

-mocks reporter disability

-never has apologize ONCE for his mistakes or wrong doings

And lastly.... he knows all this and people will still follow him

 

[Jackcrevol]

Given what slick Willie did in the oval office as president of the U.S. was indeed a selfish, and extremely unpresidential act and then repeatedly lie about it adds to this. Just like a child, we try to teach our children right from wrong, teach and exhibit good morals and respect. Teach them that our actions have consequences and to think before you act. So yes, Willie was acting "childish".
And furthermore, whether you like him or hate him, at least Trump will stand up for himself and call out much of the media for their lies, distortions, etc. I for one taught my son to stand his ground and call out those who treat you or others unfairly. You may think he goes overboard at times and that's your opinion. At least he demonstrates the backbone many before him didn't. But, of course, Obama and Willie didn't have to call out many in the media since most of them were drooling over them like they were princes in shining armor!

He doesn't stand up for anything. He delegates everything, makes no decisions, and literally blames everyone else. Leaders take responsibility for their actions. Innately selfish people, further, narcissists blame the World around them.

I was always a fan of Bill Clinton's. In trying to step back, Clinton wasnt perfect. As a married man, who looks at cheating as a cowardly act - I see your point.

So many politicians and those with power fall pray to self interests. It is what it is. In looking at the men whom have led this Country, that I recall. None were perfect. All were gentlemen...and leaders.

I have a new found respect for Reagan, Bush Sr, and W. Of course I appreciate Clinton - and see the good in Obama.

I cannot say with any confidence that Trump brings any positives to the table.

 

[GojiraVol17]

Y’all need to calm the eff down in here

 

[GiggerVol]

Not to mention all the liberal panelists Fox has on daily if not weekly. Hannity exploded years ago when they had Hannity and Colmes on each night. Colmes died a few years ago after a battle with cancer, but he was the liberal co-host. Weekly segments with James Carville, a major democratic operative during the clinton years, and then there's Donna Brazille, current Fox contributer who was DNC chairwoman under Obama. In fact, she was on this morning.I know I've left out a few who have been on regularly. Fox has at least presented the other side in actual opinion and discussion for years on a daily basis. PMSNBC nor CNN would dare. OAN's ratings appear to be going up as does Newsmax.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Leaders take responsibility for their actions.

I agree with this. Trump is the leader, and he stands there to take responsibility and he definitely doesn’t like to do that. It bothers me when he sings his praises all the time. In fairness to him, the media spends all day killing him so I get why he needs to do that from time to time. But at the same time, a lot of things he says bothers me in this regard.

I cannot say with any confidence that Trump brings any positives to the table.

this is absurd and nothing more than TDS

 

[#Vol4Life1991]

I agree with this. Trump is the leader, and he stands there to take responsibility and he definitely doesn’t like to do that. It bothers me when he sings his praises all the time. In fairness to him, the media spends all day killing him so I get why he needs to do that from time to time. But at the same time, a lot of things he says bothers me in this regard.


this is absurd and nothing more than TDS

Provide some type of proof where he took responsibility for something that went bad.

 

[GiggerVol]

He doesn't stand up for anything. He delegates everything, makes no decisions, and literally blames everyone else. Leaders take responsibility for their actions. Innately selfish people, further, narcissists blame the World around them.

I was always a fan of Bill Clinton's. In trying to step back, Clinton wasnt perfect. As a married man, who looks at cheating as a cowardly act - I see your point.

So many politicians and those with power fall pray to self interests. It is what it is. In looking at the men whom have led this Country, that I recall. None were perfect. All were gentlemen...and leaders.

I have a new found respect for Reagan, Bush Sr, and W. Of course I appreciate Clinton - and see the good in Obama.

I cannot say with any confidence that Trump brings any positives to the table.

Who did he delegate to impose the travel ban on China for him?
Look, part of being a leader, much less a great leader, is to surround yourself with smart, capable people who can execute the plan.. Whether in business or the military. Who did he delegate to sign all the Executive Orders he initiated his first few months?

 

[Devo182]

Not to mention all the liberal panelists Fox has on daily if not weekly. Hannity exploded years ago when they had Hannity and Colmes on each night. Colmes died a few years ago after a battle with cancer, but he was the liberal co-host. Weekly segments with James Carville, a major democratic operative during the clinton years, and then there's Donna Brazille, current Fox contributer who was DNC chairwoman under Obama. In fact, she was on this morning.I know I've left out a few who have been on regularly. Fox has at least presented the other side in actual opinion and discussion for years on a daily basis. PMSNBC nor CNN would dare. OAN's ratings appear to be going up as does Newsmax.

Just posted the Jon Stewart video other day. That show, Crossfire, had Tucker Carlson on it, for example, as the token conservative.

But the "other side" token person is just funny on all these networks. Creating a never ending false dichotomy (you only have choice A or choice B) and does nothing good for anyone. It's like Skip and Stephen A on ESPN. A dumbed down shouting match written by people behind the cameras. It is theater, appealing to the lowest common denominators.

Btw, I remember seeing ole Juan on Fox years ago. He was a punching bag that would begin to laugh as the other person spoke over him until they cut to commercial. Usually set up as 2 v 1 "debates". The same as on other networks. It's all manufactured and fake.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Provide some type of proof where he took responsibility for something that went bad.

I literally just criticized him for being one who doesn’t take responsibility. Of course no politician does. “It depends on what the definition of ‘is’ is.” “If you want your doctor you can keep your doctor” etc. has Killary ever taken responsibility for Benghazi? a politician who takes responsibility is a rarity

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

BTW, anyone get their Trump Bucks yet?

This morning...got nothin to spend them on though..so..‍♂

I want and need a real vacation/trip..I am seriously battling depression...which I have never had a problem with before.

I guess that is why I have been so combative here lately..six months of doing nothing on my time off but watching my mom die, and then straight into this nightmare world...my nerves are shot to hell, and I know I can't be the only one.

 

[Aesius]

just to name a few:
-housing discrimination to african americans in the 70’s

-obama’s birther situation

-central park 5

-scam of trump university

-confessing to sexual assualt (grab her by the p...)

-mocks reporter disability

-never has apologize ONCE for his mistakes or wrong doings

And lastly.... he knows all this and people will still follow him
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Nice fake quote you got there!

FACT CHECK: Did Donald Trump Say Republicans Are the "Dumbest Group of Voters"?

Bogus Meme Targets Trump

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

He doesn't stand up for anything. He delegates everything, makes no decisions, and literally blames everyone else. Leaders take responsibility for their actions. Innately selfish people, further, narcissists blame the World around them.

I was always a fan of Bill Clinton's. In trying to step back, Clinton wasnt perfect. As a married man, who looks at cheating as a cowardly act - I see your point.

So many politicians and those with power fall pray to self interests. It is what it is. In looking at the men whom have led this Country, that I recall. None were perfect. All were gentlemen...and leaders.

I have a new found respect for Reagan, Bush Sr, and W. Of course I appreciate Clinton - and see the good in Obama.

I cannot say with any confidence that Trump brings any positives to the table.

Bill Clinton was a good president in some ways, and horrid in others...but I can admit he did a good job overall. I think Obama was a jagoff. Dude did a lot of harm.

 

[VolGee4]

So are the numbers being inflated falsely for some other unknown reason? Why are we still on lockdown? This is absurd. I feel like something bigger than COVID 19 is going on...

Hospitals in non hotspots are empty because people are electing to stay home, and elective surgeries are not taking place. It's better than the alternative.

I don't like employees getting laid off, but I don't feel too sorry for hospitals that are slow.

 

[gordonr24]

I hardly ever watch any news station. But I noticed a few weeks that two different CNN hosts were arguing with the person they were interviewing; they weren’t asking questions. Just unprofessional.

If they asked me to interview and started arguing like that, I would stop and tell them to discontinue it unless they wanted to ask questions. There is an interviewer and an interviewee.

They ask softball questions for those they like and then lay it all out on people they want to make look bad. It’s obvious.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

just to name a few:
-housing discrimination to african americans in the 70’s

-obama’s birther situation

-central park 5

-scam of trump university

-confessing to sexual assualt (grab her by the p...)

-mocks reporter disability

-never has apologize ONCE for his mistakes or wrong doings

And lastly.... he knows all this and people will still follow him
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Not sure of the point. Are you saying he has skeletons in his closet? Who doesn't? But to a couple of your points.

confessing to sexual assualt (grab her by the p...)

If you listen to the full audio, not the edited version, he said that "if you are one of the big Hollywood stars you can just walk up to a beautiful woman and grab her by the p... and she will love it."

-mocks reporter disability

He used the exact same mannerisms - flailing arms, talking incoherently - when he was mocking Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and Jeb Bush during the debates, and he has used the same mannerisms to mock others since, not just the disabled reporter. That is his same mocking style for everyone.

I am not surprised he said that about Fox viewers. He was a longtime Democrat, or at least always seemed to favor Democrat candidates.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Bill Clinton was a good president in some ways, and horrid in others...but I can admit he did a good job overall. I think Obama was a jagoff. Dude did a lot of harm.

Clinton did some good things for the economy for sure. Obama was the worst president in my lifetime and one of the worst we’ve ever had. He did virtually nothing for the country, and when he left because of policies and stands that he took, the country was in worse shape than ever before and we were more divided than ever before. I’m glad trump has been able to undo his legacy in a lot of ways, notably with bringing back the manufacturing jobs that Obama said would never come back and getting us out of that horrid Iran deal.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Bill Clinton was a good president in some ways, and horrid in others...but I can admit he did a good job overall. I think Obama was a jagoff. Dude did a lot of harm.

wurd

 

[#Vol4Life1991]

Not sure of the point. Are you saying he has skeletons in his closet? Who doesn't? But to a couple of your points.

confessing to sexual assualt (grab her by the p...)

If you listen to the full audio, not the edited version, he said that "if you are one of the big Hollywood stars you can just walk up to a beautiful woman and grab her by the p... and she will love it."

-mocks reporter disability

He used the exact same mannerisms - flailing arms, talking incoherently - when he was mocking Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and Jeb Bush during the debates, and he has used the same mannerisms to mock others since, not just the disabled reporter. That is his same mocking style for everyone.

I am not surprised he said that about Fox viewers. He was a longtime Democrat, or at least always seemed to favor Democrat candidates.

Dude he confessed to groping women, stop trying to twist it into anything other. And the point is trump has had way more public baggage than any other president and you expect people not to attack or challenge him on that? The situations I type are the bs (the acronym you used) that people are upset about with him and that’s just to name a few. There are always leaks (way more than any other president) about the infighting, alternative motives, etc... and if any democratic president or candidate had half of the public baggage or white house chaos as trump, fox news and their followers would lose their minds.... I feel there’s never a middle ground with politics (left and right), there’s always extremes. Until we fix the extreme actions, outbursts, and mentalities we wont progress or bond as fast as we all would want as a country.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I’m stunned. Who could’ve seen this coming?

Pelosi vows to challenge Trump's 'dangerous, illegal' move to freeze WHO funding

The WHO lies and covers for China and as a result we were not as prepared as we should’ve been. But Pelosi is mad that Trump suspends their funding while an investigation is underway. Uh... there has to be consequences for this type of stuff. Good grief.

Trump says up, they say down. He says right, they say left. I’m so tired of these people