Crazy Ivan
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Bill Clinton was a good president in some ways, and horrid in others...but I can admit he did a good job overall. I think Obama was a jagoff. Dude did a lot of harm.
I voted for Perot in 92, but voted for Clinton in 96. I also voted for Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004. I voted on Paul in '08, mainly because I was hohum on McCain (I thought he was a good man, I just didn't know if he had what it took to be president), and knew little about Obama other than he had virtually little record of doing anything in the Senate. I voted Romney in 2012, which shows you how unimpressed I was with Obama. But looking back at presidential elections I have voted R 6 times, D 4 times, and 3rd party twice. I voted Nixon in 72 while I was still in the Army; that was a mistake so voted Carter in 76. That was also a mistake so voted Reagan in 80. He had a good first term, weak 2nd term, but voted Bush Sr in 88 (definitely wasn't going to vote for Dukakis after the tank affair, LOL).
Never was a whole lot of difference between parties, so it really was always about voting for the particular candidate, or voting for a president from one party if congress was dominated by the other party to keep a balance. As a lifelong independent and moderate I have had no use for either party. But having said that, I don't think the current Democrat party has an identity. You have the long-time establishment, which currently controls the DNC, the progressive socialists, and then you have those into identity politics. And none of them get along. But the party is rapidly drifting to the far left. I am honestly not sure how long the party can exist in its present state before it splinters (watching to see if the Bernie Bros break away and either join the greens or form a new party.
Republicans are not completely unified as you have Trump supporters and the Never-Trumpers, but the party is far more unified than the Democrat party is. Which is interesting since it appeared to be the Republican party in complete disarray in 2012. If Trump is re-elected, then after that, who knows what the future will look like for the Republican party. The problem with politics for a long time now is that the wrong kind of people seemed to be drawn to politics, those looking to make a career of living off the public dime.