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bignewt said:
The major problem in all that are mass shootings. When many innocent people are killed at once by a single person in a public space, all those stats go out the window.
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Sure. I get that, but citizens bearing arms defending themselves or their family is a daily occurrence. Mass killings with an AR-15 type weapon are not common, and I am not willing to penalize the overwhelming majority of law-abiding Americans because of the occasional madman.
 
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SSVol said:
Pure Darwinian evolution would prevent the weakest from passing on their genes. If you are past childbearing years, you have already done so, so dying doesn’t affect anything.

And @bignewt, this particular creationist completely agrees with micro evolution, just not macro evolution.
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Bass isn’t talking about evolution per say. He is talking about Darwin’s theory that Organisms who best adjust to their environment are the best successful at surviving and reproducing. Doesn’t really have anything to do with childbearing age. (Adapt and Survive - you don’t have to be of childbearing age)
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Not really. The gun could have changed hands many times.
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The serial# will always be traced back to the last known registered owner, which if there is no record of a transaction will be the seller. If the seller can't point to who he/she sold the weapon to, and it hadn't previously been reported stolen, he/she will have some problems
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Why?

“Let me summarize my views on what modern evolutionary biology tells us loud and clear... there are no gods, no purposes, no goal-directed forces of any kind. There is no life after death. When I die, I am absolutely certain that I am going to be dead. That’s the end for me. There is no ultimate foundation for ethics, no ultimate meaning to life, and no free will for humans, either.” -William B. Provine
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Captain Absolutes everybody!
 
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Kristy* said:
Darwinism focuses on behavioral traits as well as physical traits. Ones that allow people to compete, not just survive. It's a little callous to refer to a disease targeting a group of people that have no control over their circumstances as Darwinism.
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What is callousness in an evolutionary worldview?
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
Sure. I get that, but citizens bearing arms defending themselves or their family is a daily occurrence. Mass killings with an AR-15 type weapon are not common, and I am not willing to penalize the overwhelming majority of law-abiding Americans because of the occasional madman.
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I'd say it's become more and more common.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
And maybe it's just someone spouting off with actual no intention of actually doing anything. Should we arrest someone and take their car, drivers license away for saying they're going to go to a bar and get blasted and drive home afterward? It's hard to take liberties away for potential crimes.
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Hence my conflict.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Bass isn’t talking about evolution per say. He is talking about Darwin’s theory that Organisms who best adjust to their environment are the best successful at surviving and reproducing. Doesn’t really have anything to do with childbearing age. (Adapt and Survive - you don’t have to be of childbearing age)
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Survival without reproduction has zero impact on the gene pool. It would be more accurate to say "survive to reproduce". My point remains. Unlike some viruses which kill indiscriminately and clearly affect the gene pool, this one will have very little effect.
 
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SSVol said:
Survival without reproduction has zero impact on the gene pool. It would be more accurate to say "survive to reproduce". My point remains. Unlike some viruses which kill indiscriminately and clearly affect the gene pool, this one will have very little affect.
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The gene pool is getting pretty murky maybe we need to drain it and refill.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
Sure. I get that, but citizens bearing arms defending themselves or their family is a daily occurrence. Mass killings with an AR-15 type weapon are not common, and I am not willing to penalize the overwhelming majority of law-abiding Americans because of the occasional madman.
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This is why we are where we are. Guy shoots up a mall, take guns from law abiding citizens. It reminds me of that movie that Steve Martin was in, I think it was called "The Jerk". The scene where someone is trying to shoot him from afar and misses and hits an oil can. Then he moves and the shooter misses again and hits an oil can. He concludes the guy is not shooting at him but at the cans. He States the guy hates cans and everyone should move away from cans.

This is really comes down to where your interest lies. People that don't really have an interest in firearms question the "need" for this or the "need" for that. Drunk drivers kill infinitely more than guns especially AR15's and there is no call for taking driving privileges away from non-DWI drivers. There's never talk about outlawing beer, wine, or spirits. Do we really need alcohol? People don't really care about other's rights unless it's a right they cherish.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
The serial# will always be traced back to the last known registered owner, which if there is no record of a transaction will be the seller. If the seller can't point to who he/she sold the weapon to, and it hadn't previously been reported stolen, he/she will have some problems
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I don't think you are correct on that. I'll defer to our resident attorneys.
 
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SSVol said:
Survival without reproduction has zero impact on the gene pool. It would be more accurate to say "survive to reproduce". My point remains. Unlike some viruses which kill indiscriminately and clearly affect the gene pool, this one will have very little effect.
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I mean that isn’t necessarily true. Because a baby born from a woman with the antibodies for this virus will be protected after birth for a short amount of time before any type of vaccines etc. may be needed. Which would lead to the baby more likely surviving at birth correct?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
This is why we are where we are. Guy shoots up a mall, take guns from law abiding citizens. It reminds me of that movie that Steve Martin was in, I think it was called "The Jerk". The scene where someone is trying to shoot him from afar and misses and hits an oil can. Then he moves and the shooter misses again and hits an oil can. He concludes the guy is not shooting at him but at the cans. He States the guy hates cans and everyone should move away from cans.

This is really comes down to where your interest lies. People that don't really have an interest in firearms question the "need" for this or the "need" for that. Drunk drivers kill infinitely more than guns especially AR15's and there is no call for taking driving privileges away from non-DWI drivers. There's never talk about outlawing beer, wine, or spirits. Do we really need alcohol? People don't really care about other's rights unless it's a right they cherish.
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I care about your rights buddy even if I am personally conflicted by it
 
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