Recruiting Forum Off Topic Thread III

[InVOLuntary]

It isnt about outlawing guns.

Gun lobby is waay too strong, hell the West was won by Sam Colt.

What is wrong is that too many of the wrong PEOPLE have access to guns. Common sense approaches, taking both sides to make a decision must be needed.

Some Countries havent outlawed, but, it's extremely expensive to carry and own. A central database and deeper background checks, including consenting to mental background check. Gun retailers are already held liable if a gun they sold is used in a crime. Gun show loopholes, closed.

Reducing magazine capacity, bullet types, bump stocks, just window dressing.

I dont think lay person needs access to bulletproof facemasks, and headgear. bottom line, Citizens who show responsibility for what is a huge responsibility, git r dun.

There is no such thing as a gun show loop hole! You need to educate yourself before discussing this.

 

[GiggerVol]

You tell em, InVol, I'm so mad I can't!

 

[Rishvol]

There is no such thing as a gun show loop hole! You need to educate yourself before discussing this.

This reminds me of a conversation I had with a socials study teacher during the Virginia protests. He had no idea all the crap you have to go through to buy a gun. How little actual gun violence there is, etc. He didn't change his view but at least he got a little more educated on the subject (we were using nothing but .gov stuff as reference)

 

[InVOLuntary]

This reminds me of a conversation I had with a socials study teacher during the Virginia protests. He had no idea all the crap you have to go through to buy a gun. How little actual gun violence there is, etc. He didn't change his view but at least he got a little more educated on the subject (we were using nothing but .gov stuff as reference)

I laugh when someone brings up the "gun show loop hole". It immediately tells me their knowledge of the subject. I try to hold it in but sometimes I chuckle audibly.

 

[bignewt]

Timothy McVeigh would argue otherwise.

Just like you to bring a knife to a gunfight...

 

[Crazy Ivan]

I've been to 100's of gun shows. I've bought numerous firearms and all included background checks. Most, not all that have tables at gun shows are dealers and they are 100% required to do background checks. The only sales that do not require background checks are private sales, sales between individuals. The gun show loop hole is nothing more that a liberal, anti-second amendment propaganda catch phrase used to manipulate the uniformed, weak minded populace. THERE IS NO GUN SHOW LOOP HOLE.

If you want to make make background checks more prevalent, do two things:

1. Make the background check free. You shouldn't have to pay the government to exercise your rights.

2. Don't the the firearm to the application to the background check. There is zero reason to do this other than create a firearm database. This encourages people to purchase firearms through private sales.

And even in private sales there has to be a paper trail of the transaction on both sides (buyer and seller), and obviously any firearms sold have to have a serial# that can be traced back to the seller (since he/she will be the last registered owner of the firearm). No one can just go to a gun show and buy an unregistered weapon.

 

[bignewt]

And even in private sales there has to be a paper trail of the transaction on both sides (buyer and seller), and obviously any firearms sold have to have a serial# that can be traced back to the seller (since he/she will be the last registered owner of the firearm). No one can just go to a gun show and buy an unregistered weapon.

I guess the question we as a country need to ask is if we have so many safeguards...why do we still have so many mass shootings? There has to be an answer.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Just like you to bring a knife to a gunfight...

You've never seen my knife or my knife skills.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I guess the question we as a country need to ask is if we have so many safeguards...why do we still have so many mass shootings? There has to be an answer.

Maybe we should focus on the person instead of their chosen tool.

 

[Volator]

I guess the question we as a country need to ask is if we have so many safeguards...why do we still have so many mass shootings? There has to be an answer.

There is innumerable evil people in this world and no amount of government legislation or authority will stop it. A change in the heart is required.

 

[InVOLuntary]

And even in private sales there has to be a paper trail of the transaction on both sides (buyer and seller), and obviously any firearms sold have to have a serial# that can be traced back to the seller (since he/she will be the last registered owner of the firearm). No one can just go to a gun show and buy an unregistered weapon.

I've bought firearms from individuals with no paper trails and not really knowing their name. I seldom sell firearms, (I need to, ), but I've always required a show of ID to make sure they are a resident of my state. When I've purchased them from an individual, I've always had a police buddy run them for me to make sure it's not stolen with the risk of losing it if it comes back stolen because I've got to give it to him if it comes back stolen.

 

[bignewt]

You've never seen my knife or my knife skills.

You can't karate chop a bullet.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Very callous of you.

Darwinism is callous. Survival of the fittest. Who does this virus kill?

 

[bignewt]

Maybe we should focus on the person instead of their chosen tool.

That's where I'm at. Mental health is the key.

 

[BaldBiker]

You can't karate chop a bullet.

But you can catch it in your teeth.

 

[InVOLuntary]

You can't karate chop a bullet.

Liar..

 

[bignewt]

But you can catch it in your teeth.

You are thinking of your wooden dentures and that musket ball you caught back when John Paul Jones dared you...not the same.

 

[bignewt]

Liar..

Many likes for the best wonder woman... Lynda!!!

 

[BaldBiker]

Liar..

I'm seeing nothing but boobs here. What is suppose to be happening that I'm missing?

 

[BaldBiker]

You are thinking of your wooden dentures and that musket ball you caught back when John Paul Jones dared you...not the same.

A catch is a catch dammit!

 

[InVOLuntary]

That's where I'm at. Mental health is the key.

The problem is where do you draw a line. Mental health is so hard to quantify. Do you deny someone's rights if they take an antidepressant? Red flag laws are a dangerous precedent that violates personal liberty.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

I guess the question we as a country need to ask is if we have so many safeguards...why do we still have so many mass shootings? There has to be an answer.

I agree, but there doesn't seem to be an easy answer. It seems like with most things in our life, there is always a 'down side'. But I believe with firearms, there are more positives than negatives. By far and away the great majority of deaths due to firearms are due to suicide (close to 65% almost every year) and gang violence (almost exclusively with handguns), but those major advocates for gun control never seem to worry about black kids in the inner cities killing each other. Violence by 'assault rifle is just not common; yes there were a couple in quick secession in 2019, but those have not proven to be any sort of new norm.

Something else rarely mentioned is that the number of crimes prevented annually by an armed citizen far outnumbers the number of deaths caused by firearms of all types.

While some gun control advocates claim the Second Amendment is a dangerous historical relic, even going so far as to call for its repeal, they often overlook the fact that firearms are significantly more likely to be used for self-defense than in criminal activity.

In fact, according to a 2013 report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, almost all national studies of defensive gun uses have found that firearms are used in self-defense between 500,000 and 3 million times every year in the United States.

Additionally, an independent analysis of the CDC’s own internal data on defensive gun uses indicates that firearms are used defensively about 1 million times a year, dwarfing the number of deaths and injuries attributable to their criminal use.

Guns Save Lives Too

The true number is likely somewhere in the middle of 500k-3m, but even say 1.0m-1.5m is still a very significant number of crimes prevented every yer by armed citizens.

 

[SSVol]

It is a Darwinian virus

Not really. Most of the people it kills are past childbearing age. Minimal change to the gene pool.

 

[GojiraVol17]

Many likes for the best wonder woman... Lynda!!!

Gal Gadot is still way hotter, sorry. No recency bias, either.

 

[bignewt]

The problem is where do you draw a line. Mental health is so hard to quantify. Do you deny someone's rights if they take an antidepressant? Red flag laws are a dangerous precedent that violates personal liberty.

It surely is. It's tough to know where to draw the line. Like I have said before rights are the most important but there is always a down side. Personal ly I wouldn't want someone on antidepressants having guns, those drugs heighten unstable behavior but what if you already have the guns and then start taking them? Yeesh.