Recruiting Forum Off Topic Thread III

[Weezer]

How do you think black people view silent white people when racism is being openly espoused right in front of them? Is the silence a form of approval? How do you think black people feel when there are known racist people on the police force. What you are advocating is for the oppressed people to be docile. You want black people to not act like "animals" so that you feel comfortable. Did you think people that were beating and lynching peaceful protesters in the 60s were acting like animals. The description of animalistic is an interesting choice of words.

You choose to see racism around every corner, even when it isn't there. I pity you, because you yourself are a bigot. And you don't even see it. You have made yourself part of the problem rather than trying to be part of the solution.

 

[Weezer]

After I saw the protesters almost and may have kill a white store owner protecting his store, you made me just as angry as I was watching what happened to Mr. Floyd. It didn’t help your cause Malcom. I stopped listening as it made me realize there is garbage on both sides. Good on both sides but in general, humans suck.

The irony of all is he fails to recognize how the views of Malcolm X changed after his pilgrimage to Mecca, or that Malcolm X was eventually killed by the Nation of Islam, not white people. So who affected more change? MLK or Malcolm X? As much as I respect who Malcolm X became, the answer is obvious IMO.

 

[Weezer]

Some thoughts I have since we are treading into an area (racism) fraught with dangers from the words we use:

If you have to say you're not a racist before you write or say something, you probably are.

To deny white privilege exists is to be detached from reality.

You need to try to understand the context and effect of your words in the listener's mind, not yours. It's not the listener's fault if his life experiences give different meanings to words than what you intended. It is your responsibility as the speaker who is trying to communicate to understand the effect on the listener.

When you use terms like "animals" and "thugs" those are code words now. You may argue you didn't mean them that way but they are. It's like when you say a black person should be hung for something. Whites were never lynched in the South for something as innocuous as looking the wrong way at a white woman and lynching was used as tool of oppression of the black southern population since the rise of the KKK. So anytime you use that in a discussion involving a black person you are using a code word to the black listener.

Take a minute to think about what your words may mean to other people before you say them.

Oh, and if you say it's not your responsibility to do that when dealing with racial issues, you're a racist.

I agree with some of what you say, but not all. Sometimes people lead with the "I'm not racist" comment because society has created this image that all white people must be inherently racist. It goes hand in hand with "white privilege". And you left off "white guilt" which we are all encouraged to feel, even though we've never committed any racist acts. Apparently, some believe we should carry the possible guilt of our ancestors because of the color of our skin. I'll refer back to Dr. King on this issue, judge me by my character, not by the color of my skin. And bigotry is not a one way street. I've seen and heard plenty of black people who hated whites, but rather than condemn that hate, it's often justified as "they have reason". Stupidest argument I've ever heard if we ever hope to have equality and peace. All people must put aside skin color as a reason to hate. And the same is true of sexuality, religion, politics...We, as a people, need to learn to let people be themselves, and be content in who we are rather than projecting ourselves on to others. It's okay to be different, to believe different, to live different. We don't have to be the same. But ALL sides need to act with reason, not just one side, which you seem to suggest. I agree that people need to learn to talk to each other, that we need to put thought in our words, but that does not just apply to white people. That applies to ALL people. And sometimes, you have to have patience and realize no offense is intended, because sometimes people didn't put enough thought into their words. It's a give and take of all parties involved.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

What I’m concerned about in regards to Floyd and Officer Chauvin is the outcome of the trial.

The autopsy came back and said he didn’t die of asphyxiation or strangulationnor trains to the neck or spine. Basically hypertension, heart failure. I guess stress of being in custody. I don’t know much about law. Causation and correlation and how it relates to a conviction. And if he’s acquitted things will be burn even more.

Thats why the charges are what they are and not 1st degree murder. Negligence is much easier to prove in this case. They picked what was more likely to stick

 

[Weezer]

What I’m concerned about in regards to Floyd and Officer Chauvin is the outcome of the trial.

The autopsy came back and said he didn’t die of asphyxiation or strangulationnor trains to the neck or spine. Basically hypertension, heart failure. I guess stress of being in custody. I don’t know much about law. Causation and correlation and how it relates to a conviction. And if he’s acquitted things will be burn even more.

Still, the officer put his body in a position of stress for a prolonged period which could easily be argued triggered his underlying cardiac condition. It was excessive force. If reasonable force had been used, maybe his heart doesn't give out?

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

A lot of the violence has seemed to incited by rogue radical activists.

Saw a video where these white girls dressed in black, black mask, black sunglasses and hats, were spray painting BLM and stuff on a Starbucks.

This black girl got onto them about it and made them leave, telling them they're running the message and all that. Said she's been seeing those kinds of people apart from the peaceful protests.

I've seen the videos where they've planted stacks of bricks in front of a courthouse and all that.

The radical left has all these activists that they've conditioned in the humanities programs all over the United States ready for this kind of stuff.

They are deploying them to deface an entire movement and to bring utter chaos. Inspite of the peaceful protests.

They want to goad the right into saying anything remotely racists so they can incite more discord.

We are VERY far from having any kind of dialogue.

Most people are way too radicalized by stupid facebook to do so. I took facebook off my homescreen a week ago and let me tell ya, it's quite refreshing! Don't have to see all the virtue signaling from my dumb lefty friends and I dont have to read the brain dead closeminded jargon from people on the religious right.

 

[Jack Burton]

You. Hate. To. See. It.

Street justice.

 

[Jackcrevol]

A lot of the violence has seemed to incited by rogue radical activists.

Saw a video where these white girls dressed in black, black mask, black sunglasses and hats, were spray painting BLM and stuff on a Starbucks.

This black girl got onto them about it and made them leave, telling them they're running the message and all that. Said she's been seeing those kinds of people apart from the peaceful protests.

I've seen the videos where they've planted stacks of bricks in front of a courthouse and all that.

The radical left has all these activists that they've conditioned in the humanities programs all over the United States ready for this kind of stuff.

They are deploying them to deface an entire movement and to bring utter chaos. Inspite of the peaceful protests.

They want to goad the right into saying anything remotely racists so they can incite more discord.

We are VERY far from having any kind of dialogue.

Most people are way too radicalized by stupid facebook to do so. I took facebook off my homescreen a week ago and let me tell ya, it's quite refreshing! Don't have to see all the virtue signaling from my dumb lefty friends and I dont have to read the brain dead closeminded jargon from people on the religious right.

Plenty of articles saying its coming from both extremes.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Street justice.

Hope he broke something.... also he just egged a Black Man..... because you know he is fighting for Black Rights and all.......

 

[Jackcrevol]

Street justice.

They'll think street justice when the National Guard arrives.

 

[Weezer]

Plenty of articles saying its coming from both extremes.

Neither side wants a united citizenry. It would interrupt their fight over who gets to wield power.

 

[drvenner]

What I’m concerned about in regards to Floyd and Officer Chauvin is the outcome of the trial.

The autopsy came back and said he didn’t die of asphyxiation or strangulationnor trains to the neck or spine. Basically hypertension, heart failure. I guess stress of being in custody. I don’t know much about law. Causation and correlation and how it relates to a conviction. And if he’s acquitted things will be burn even more.

I think it was more likely distress at thinking he could not breathe. I am reasonably sure it can demonstrated he would not have died if the officer had not kept his knee on his neck for almost 9 minutes.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

Plenty of articles saying its coming from both extremes.

I'm seeing that now.

The media lovesss it.

Russia also has a history of funding any and all extremists in America.

The only good part about all these MASS GATHERINGS is, if there isn't a huge spike in covid cases they better allow fans at the damn games!

Maybe we can just say that we are protesting the Florida Gators and we will be allowed to congregate.

ORANGE LIVES MATTER!

 

[drvenner]

Lol....ok then. Economic pressure ended Jim Crow more so than peaceful protest. All those individuals you named achieved those success on their own merits. Protesting had nothing to do with that. There was black representation in Congress after the Emancipation Proclamation was signed. And then racism reared its ugly head again. America was built on violence, from the first settlers, to slavery to the Boston Tea Party.
Did you have a problem with the Bundy's storming Federal Land in Oregon? Or the other armed resistance that they employ? Why is it ok for white people to protest but no one else?

No one is saying that. Come on.

 

[Weezer]

Truthfully, the rioting and looting isn't even a black/white thing. Plenty of white people rioting and looting, and plenty of black people condemning the behavior. But I guess acknowledging that defeats the narrative we're expected to believe.

 

[drvenner]

Shoot these fools

This isn't helping

 

[SSVol]

This isn't helping

In a purely Darwinian sense, it would. Probably doesn't help the narrative though.

 

[Jackcrevol]

nm

 

[WBO]

I agree with some of what you say, but not all. Sometimes people lead with the "I'm not racist" comment because society has created this image that all white people must be inherently racist. It goes hand in hand with "white privilege". And you left off "white guilt" which we are all encouraged to feel, even though we've never committed any racist acts. Apparently, some believe we should carry the possible guilt of our ancestors because of the color of our skin. I'll refer back to Dr. King on this issue, judge me by my character, not by the color of my skin. And bigotry is not a one way street. I've seen and heard plenty of black people who hated whites, but rather than condemn that hate, it's often justified as "they have reason". Stupidest argument I've ever heard if we ever hope to have equality and peace. All people must put aside skin color as a reason to hate. And the same is true of sexuality, religion, politics...We, as a people, need to learn to let people be themselves, and be content in who we are rather than projecting ourselves on to others. It's okay to be different, to believe different, to live different. We don't have to be the same. But ALL sides need to act with reason, not just one side, which you seem to suggest. I agree that people need to learn to talk to each other, that we need to put thought in our words, but that does not just apply to white people. That applies to ALL people. And sometimes, you have to have patience and realize no offense is intended, because sometimes people didn't put enough thought into their words. It's a give and take of all parties involved.

I don't disagree with you. Cultural filters and racism go in both directions. But there is an element of explanation, not justification by any means, in black hostility towards a white power structure when you have been the object of so much structural oppression.

 

[engineerVOL]

Thats why the charges are what they are and not 1st degree murder. Negligence is much easier to prove in this case. They picked what was more likely to stick

Gotcha thanks for the clarification.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

What I’m concerned about in regards to Floyd and Officer Chauvin is the outcome of the trial.

The autopsy came back and said he didn’t die of asphyxiation or strangulationnor trains to the neck or spine. Basically hypertension, heart failure. I guess stress of being in custody. I don’t know much about law. Causation and correlation and how it relates to a conviction. And if he’s acquitted things will be burn even more.

I doubt he will be acquitted, but I don't imagine he can be charged with 1st degree murder as those like Maxine Waters on the left are calling for. The state would have to prove he premeditated Floyd's murder, and unless the cop left written evidence of such, or makes such a confession, proving it was premeditated murder would be about impossible, especially in light of the autopsy report. However, he can and should be charged with manslaughter; cops are taught that once the handcuffs are on the fight is over; if the perp is still trying to resist you can hold them down by kneeling with one knee placed on the back until backup can get further control, but as a cop you do not place your knee on a perp's neck for several minutes. I think the state can prove manslaughter in this case, but not murder.

 

[discontent523]

I'm sorry, I have a brother, four nieces, and five nephews that are all considered bi-ethnic I've been in fist fights brawls and many other altercations that all started over racists acts or words but this crap, the looting and rioting destroying of private and public businesses many of which are minority owned or operated, anyone taking part in that deserves a bullet to the head don't give two fs if they are black white Asian brown or purple

 

[SweetasSoda]

I don't consider myself at war with you. The best way to end racism, is for everyone that has privilege, is to use their privilege to expose those that are racist. Silence is complicity. Just imagine if white cops exposed the racist cops. What if white people confronted racist all the times. We expect people to turn in criminals all the time, which is the right thing to do. If I see a crime, I call the police. Racism is a disease that has festered in America far too long.

I agree with every single word of that. I do not agree with looting, vandalism or violence. They only bring death and destruction. If you concentrate only on the bad and evil in this country or world, you will only see that and miss the good.

 

[VolGee4]

I doubt he will be acquitted, but I don't imagine he can be charged with 1st degree murder as those like Maxine Waters on the left are calling for. The state would have to prove he premeditated Floyd's murder, and unless the cop left written evidence of such, or makes such a confession, proving it was premeditated murder would be about impossible, especially in light of the autopsy report. However, he can and should be charged with manslaughter; cops are taught that once the handcuffs are on the fight is over; if the perp is still trying to resist you can hold them down by kneeling with one knee placed on the back until backup can get further control, but as a cop you do not place your knee on a perp's neck for several minutes. I think the state can prove manslaughter in this case, but not murder.

Not all murder requires premeditation, and many DA’s will tell you premeditation can form in an instant. I’m not saying the officer should have been charged with premeditated murder, but I am guessing third degree murder in Minnesota just requires an intentional act and not necessarily premeditation. I think you could get a conviction on that.

 

[Catbone]

........ Hello ?