Recruiting forum off topic thread (merged)

[Darth_Shiveman]

Apple already has a backdoor into all thier OS's including iOS they just don't want people to know they do. The FBI overplayed their hand by trying to publicly get Apple to unlock the phone and give them the Master key citing this terrorist case as the specific need but in truth they really just want the Master key. If the FBI had asked privately for Apple to unlock this specific iPhone without asking for the Master key I would bet Apple would have privately unlocked it for them. Once again a case of Government overreach.

Ummm...yeah I REALLY doubt Apple already has a backdoor made. They want no part of that existing at all.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

As an analyst.


Unreal how many "noncoaching" staff members these schools are having now

This is part of the power 5 autonomy shift and this part is bad IMO

I read an article on ESPN yesterday about college football last leap day compared to now and the types of changes we can expect to see by the next leap day.

Rules regarding staff sizes like this was one of the things mentioned. It does seem like it's gotten a little out of hand recently. Would be nice to see some outlines for exactly how far schools are willing to go.

 

[BruinVol]

100%. Whatever talking head you're listening to has no clue what they're talking about.

For one thing, Apple can't "give" out iPhone pas codes because each iPhone owner creates their own. Apple has no way of knowing any given person's passcode and can only help to try and figure out that passcode.

The FBI is saying that they "just want Apple to open one phone" because they know the majority of Americans (average joes AND those in the media) are tech illiterate and think that sounds perfectly reasonable. Really, they're trying to coerce Apple into creating a backdoor into the iPhone system for them to use "in this one case."

Assuming the FBI actually has the authority to do this(they don't), there are still a LOT of problems with that, so I'll just point out the main 3.

1. It sets a precedent that all tech companies can be required to create backdoor systems to bypass their own and their customers' security for cases in which the companies themselves are completely uninvolved outside of having sold a product to the criminal.

2. It sets a precedent for Apple and other tech companies to have to do the same in other countries where they sell their products. Do we really want the Chinese or other countries with notoriously corrupt governments to have access to a backdoor to every smart phone in the world?

3. Once created, these back doors will be very easily replicable by other companies, hackers, governments, etc.

Putting aside the legality of the FBI doing this (they can't force Apple to cooperate at all, really, any more than they can force me or you to pause our day jobs and help in their investigation) or whether or not they'd abuse this power (history says probably), it sets a lot poor precedents.

As I understand what the talking heads have said is they want apple to use their technology to crack the pass code for this one phone.

Admittedly I don't know if that means creating a key to crack all phones codes or just one but as I understand the talk it's only one phone

 

[jave36]

That's all they need in my opinion. I think a search warrant for each phone in question and Apple provides the password. Maybe that's opening Pandora's Box.

The official Apple stance is they have no way to get into a locked iPhone. They may be lying, but the company line is that they have no ability to hack into any phone.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

As I understand what the talking heads have said is they want apple to use their technology to crack the pass code for this one phone.

Admittedly I don't know if that means creating a key to crack all phones codes or just one but as I understand the talk it's only one phone

That doesn't make sense though because:

1. This isn't the only case like this currently ongoing where the FBI is trying to use a 230 year old law to force Apple into cracking a phone.

2. Apple has no system for cracking iPhones. It's not a matter of rebooting a phone or pressing a few buttons. They'd have to create a new version of the iPhone system that would allow them to bypass iPhone passcodes. Apple wants no part of that.


And again, the point I keep going back to that people keep ignoring, is that there really isn't a precedent for the FBI to force a company to cooperate in an investigation in which they aren't complicit in any way. This is a clear example of government overreach.

 

[BigZiti09]

I had heard Rubio talking about this the other day and said that the FBI had changed their stance and now want Apple to disable the 'auto erase' on the phone so that they can have unlimited chances to crack the code using their own technology.

 

[tomq_123]

Ummm...yeah I REALLY doubt Apple already has a backdoor made. They want no part of that existing at all.

It's been known for years in the hacker community that Apple has a backdoor to all their OS"s.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I had heard Rubio talking about this the other day and said that the FBI had changed their stance and now want Apple to disable the 'auto erase' on the phone so that they can have unlimited chances to crack the code using their own technology.

Still not something the government has/should have the authority to coerce private businesses into doing.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

It's been known for years in the hacker community that Apple has a backdoor to all their OS"s.

Any sources to this more than rumors? I have a really hard time seeing this as being more than the type of conjecture you hear about the government "hiding the technology" for a car that runs on water to protect the oil industry.

 

[VolGee4]

The Apple case reminds me of the FedEx case that I think is expected to go to trial this summer. The federal government indicted FedEx on criminal charges for shipping illegal narcitics through the system. The government basically wants FedEx to help them police, and FedEx said hell no. FedEx said that they would lose their assurances that they can privately and safely ship products, which could cause concern for customers. FedEx has no issues allowing law enforcement in their facilities, and I can attest to this being an attorney in Memphis. They allow local police to bring K9's in to sniff packages. FedEx just doesn't believe it is their job. Apparently, UPS decided to just pay a big fine and not go any further. I know someone who has been involved in preparing the case for FedEx.

I am not a conspiracy theorist, but the government, in the last few years, has now indicted FedEx, Pilot, and Rick Perry (for political decisions). I am not here to start a political debate, but it makes you think.

 

[BigZiti09]

Still not something the government has/should have the authority to coerce private businesses into doing.

Yeah, I'm not gonna debate that. Not sure what the answer is here but I do know one thing for certain and that is that if it's possible to unlock the phone of a terrorist then it needs to happen somehow. Period.

 

[jave36]

Yeah, I'm not gonna debate that. Not sure what the answer is here but I do know one thing for certain and that is that if it's possible to unlock the phone of a terrorist then it needs to happen somehow. Period.

That's exactly the mentality that leads to citizens' losing their freedoms. Government never gives back freedoms in the history of governments. There is no way to hack just one iPhone. It's all or none. If you want to believe conspiracy theorists that's fine, but until there is more proof, your two options are government having access to all iPhones or government having access to no iPhones.

 

[Maxwell]

As I understand what the talking heads have said is they want apple to use their technology to crack the pass code for this one phone.

Admittedly I don't know if that means creating a key to crack all phones codes or just one but as I understand the talk it's only one phone

They already have the ability. They had it a few years ago when I worked at AT & T. They just don't want everyone to know they do. When cases come up where information is needed the FBI is always asked to get a warrant. The FBI wants more control over the phones. They did then and they still do.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Yeah, I'm not gonna debate that. Not sure what the answer is here but I do know one thing for certain and that is that if it's possible to unlock the phone of a terrorist then it needs to happen somehow. Period.

It is possible and the FBI is perfectly capable of doing it on their own in due time. They're just trying to exploit a tragedy to increase their power.

 

[jave36]

They already have the ability. They had it a few years ago when I worked at AT & T. They just don't want everyone to know they do. When cases come up where information is needed the FBI is always asked to get a warrant. The FBI wants more control over the phones. They did then and they still do.

Apple company statement said that's not true, they have no ability to hack an iPhone, warrant or not. Did you actually see them hack an iPhone, or did you just hear about it through the company rumor mill?

 

[Maxwell]

I Know they do because I worked there and know they did it for someone. I saw the process happen for someone at law enforcements request with a warrant.

 

[BigZiti09]

That's exactly the mentality that leads to citizens' losing their freedoms. Government never gives back freedoms in the history of governments. There is no way to hack just one iPhone. It's all or none. If you want to believe conspiracy theorists that's fine, but until there is more proof, your two options are government having access to all iPhones or government having access to no iPhones.

Not true. If apple can unlock the phone it needs to happen. If they can disable the auto erase then it needs to happen. I'm not suggesting they hand the FBI a master key or that they give the FBI the ability to disable the auto erase on all phones. If there is a way into that phone, it needs to happen.

It is possible and the FBI is perfectly capable of doing it on their own in due time. They're just trying to exploit a tragedy to increase their power.

Although I haven't followed this story closely, this sounds accurate to me.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Not true. If apple can unlock the phone it needs to happen. If they can disable the auto erase then it needs to happen. I'm not suggesting they hand the FBI a master key or that they give the FBI the ability to disable the auto erase on all phones. If there is a way into that phone, it needs to happen.

But what if the only way for Apple to do that is to hand the FBI a master key?

That's what the problem is.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I Know they do because I worked there and know they did it for someone. I saw the process happen for someone at law enforcements request with a warrant.

No offense man, but this sounds like malarkey to me.

Who was served with a warrant? Why was an Apple security person at your ATT store? Why did they let you watch it happen? Why did any of this happen at your store in the first place?


Are you sure you didn't just see some phone records getting checked and not a backdoor into an iPhone?

 

[BigOrange15]

Not true. If apple can unlock the phone it needs to happen. If they can disable the auto erase then it needs to happen. I'm not suggesting they hand the FBI a master key or that they give the FBI the ability to disable the auto erase on all phones. If there is a way into that phone, it needs to happen.



Although I haven't followed this story closely, this sounds accurate to me.

But, the only way to do that is to create a backdoor that doesn't currently exist with a brand new system. One that allows an entity like the FBI to crack into any Iphone immediately. How is that something that is okay? That is exactly the kind of government infiltration that loses people their freedoms.

 

[Maxwell]

But what if the only way for Apple to do that is to hand the FBI a master key?

That's what the problem is.

Apple does not admit they can do it to the public because they do not want several hundred thousand requests for information from their customer base. When the process started I honestly did not think it could be done. The FBI wants more control over the phones , they have since Obamas first term. Take from that what you will. But it is fact. Apple to their credit is not relinquishing the power the FBI wants. The process is frustrating to law enforcement ( especially the FBI ).

 

[BigZiti09]

But, the only way to do that is to create a backdoor that doesn't currently exist with a brand new system. One that allows an entity like the FBI to crack into any Iphone immediately. How is that something that is okay? That is exactly the kind of government infiltration that loses people their freedoms.

But what if the only way for Apple to do that is to hand the FBI a master key?

That's what the problem is.

Give the phone to Apple. Apple then unlocks the phone for them and removes the password requirement. Or Apple disables the auto erase feature that occurs when too many incorrect tries have been entered for the password.

After one of the above is completed, give the phone back to the FBI.

What am I missing?

 

[Maxwell]

No offense man, but this sounds like malarkey to me.

Who was served with a warrant? Why was an Apple security person at your ATT store? Why did they let you watch it happen? Why did any of this happen at your store in the first place?


Are you sure you didn't just see some phone records getting checked and not a backdoor into an iPhone?

Honestly, I do not care what you think. I did not work in a store, but at a desk. Not that it is any of your business. You can check my stats. I have never claimed insider status on anything other than knowing the Crowder family. I have been to their house on a few occasions. I saw the process happen for a customer. I spoke to law enforcement for them. I explained what AT & T and Apple needed for the process to work. I followed up to ensure law enforcement got what they needed. They did. It happened.

 

[WilliamDuVOL]

I had heard Rubio talking about this the other day and said that the FBI had changed their stance and now want Apple to disable the 'auto erase' on the phone so that they can have unlimited chances to crack the code using their own technology.

It appears more and more they simply want to be able to access any phone, any time and disregard the presumption of innocent until proven guilty because... you know... the day to day average person doesn't commit crimes like that. Why are you worried about the government looking into your personal life without a warrant? You've got nothing to hide right?

 

[snowvols]

Apple does not admit they can do it to the public because they do not want several hundred thousand requests for information from their customer base. When the process started I honestly did not think it could be done. The FBI wants more control over the phones , they have since Obamas first term. Take from that what you will. But it is fact. Apple to their credit is not relinquishing the power the FBI wants. The process is frustrating to law enforcement ( especially the FBI ).

Yet Apple, by all accounts, meets every requirement the Chinese government sets upon them for their ability to spy upon their citizens.