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Devo182 said:
Great point. That rigidity definitely stifles creativity too imo. Another example of moderation is key. Agree very nice people as well.

Would love to visit one day, always been a bucket list item.
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Absolutely agree. I would love to visit. Love Japanese food too! As far as creativity, you are spot on. Japanese/Asians try to copy and make better. There generally have no original ideas from scratch. I have seen this so many times. Biggest break throughs generally come from the US and Europe....free thinkers. As far as I am concerned Asian society in general teaches them to focus on details, and not big picture....hence the "copy and make better" mentality.
 
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My apartment complex is literally shoving spectrum down our throat. I have AT&T 1000mbps fiber internet for the same price and I have to downgrade to 400mbps. This is predatory. Charter knows no one wants cable. So they sign contracts that force entire complexes of apartments to get it. I’m moving as soon as my lease is up. This is ridiculous.
 

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Christian Lowe said:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.activebuilding.com/property-15415/Messages/54c00c1b-a22f-4d8f-b7fd-6fddc472849c/Spectrum letter.pdf?1629223913


My apartment complex is literally shoving spectrum down our throat. I have AT&T 1000mbps fiber internet for the same price and I have to downgrade to 400mbps. This is predatory. Charter knows no one wants cable. So they sign contracts that force entire complexes of apartments to get it. I’m moving as soon as my lease is up. This is ridiculous.
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Charge your phone!
 
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Christian Lowe said:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.act...d-6fddc472849c/Spectrum letter.pdf?1629223913


My apartment complex is literally shoving spectrum down our throat. I have AT&T 1000mbps fiber internet for the same price and I have to downgrade to 400mbps. This is predatory. Charter knows no one wants cable. So they sign contracts that force entire complexes of apartments to get it. I’m moving as soon as my lease is up. This is ridiculous.
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Apartment Landlords Are Holding Your Internet Hostage | BroadbandNow

Apparently what they’re doing is illegal if I’m reading this right. Can someone tell me what to do about this? @lawgator1 maybe?
 
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Christian Lowe said:
Apartment Landlords Are Holding Your Internet Hostage | BroadbandNow

Apparently what they’re doing is illegal if I’m reading this right. Can someone tell me what to do about this? @lawgator1 maybe?
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No clue, but just to commiserate, my parents just moved into a new condo and its the same deal. Not only do you have to sign up with their selected provider (in this case AT&T), but if you don't then you are screwed because it seems like they built in dampeners to cell service such that if you don't have AT&T then you can't make wifi calls.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No clue, but just to commiserate, my parents just moved into a new condo and its the same deal. Not only do you have to sign up with their selected provider (in this case AT&T), but if you don't then you are screwed because it seems like they built in dampeners to cell service such that if you don't have AT&T then you can't make wifi calls.
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I don’t want to just bend over and take it. Especially since I’ll be paying $10 more for 600mbps slower internet than what I have.
 
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Christian Lowe said:
Apartment Landlords Are Holding Your Internet Hostage | BroadbandNow

Apparently what they’re doing is illegal if I’m reading this right. Can someone tell me what to do about this? @lawgator1 maybe?
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I'm curious how they would even know. As long as there's a cable hookup.

My wife's old old apartment had the same thing. A guy from a different company came around and one of the property managers told him to leave and he said it wasn't legal. Could be wrong, but it sounds to me like the properties simply try to enforce their exclusive contract, but I don't see how you would get punished for going with anyone else. Jmo...not a lawyer.
 
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Christian Lowe said:
Apartment Landlords Are Holding Your Internet Hostage | BroadbandNow

Apparently what they’re doing is illegal if I’m reading this right. Can someone tell me what to do about this? @lawgator1 maybe?
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If you already have AT&T Fiber, how are they going to make you disconnect? Is Spectrum already available in the building too? Would indicate that both companies have wiring in the building - their products are delivered differently and can’t both use the same wiring. I don’t think they can force you to stop using services you’re already subscribed to. Unless you signed up for AT&T services through your rental agreement with the apartment. Then the apartment complex is the customer - not you.
 
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If you already have AT&T Fiber, how are they going to make you disconnect? Is Spectrum already available in the building too? Would indicate that both companies have wiring in the building - their products are delivered differently and can’t both use the same wiring. I don’t think they can force you to stop using services you’re already subscribed to. Unless you signed up for AT&T services through your rental agreement with the apartment. Then the apartment complex is the customer - not you.
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I bought AT&T separate from my rent. I was just told that I’m free to continue with AT&T but the $70 extra for Spectrum will be built into my rent whether I choose to use it or not.
 
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Christian Lowe said:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.activebuilding.com/property-15415/Messages/54c00c1b-a22f-4d8f-b7fd-6fddc472849c/Spectrum letter.pdf?1629223913


My apartment complex is literally shoving spectrum down our throat. I have AT&T 1000mbps fiber internet for the same price and I have to downgrade to 400mbps. This is predatory. Charter knows no one wants cable. So they sign contracts that force entire complexes of apartments to get it. I’m moving as soon as my lease is up. This is ridiculous.
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I have AT&T 1000 MBPS and I love the speed----I wouldn't want to have to change to anything else. My wife works from home and she's hooked to the modem with an Ethernet cable but everything else is wireless and the speeds are great. Hope the 400 works for what you need.
 
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Christian Lowe said:
I bought AT&T separate from my rent. I was just told that I’m free to continue with AT&T but the $70 extra for Spectrum will be built into my rent whether I choose to use it or not.
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Where do you live? It's my understanding that most Apt complexes would have a pre negotiated, exclusivity agreement for wholesale prices if your only option were Spectrum.

FTTH is delivered via fiber to curb, hub, or pull box and is copper last half mile.

I would question a LL selling back Spectrum service, as it isnt his to sell.
 
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Jackcrevol said:
Where do you live? It's my understanding that most Apt complexes would have a pre negotiated, exclusivity agreement for wholesale prices if your only option were Spectrum.

FTTH is delivered via fiber to curb, hub, or pull box and is copper last half mile.

I would question a LL selling back Spectrum service, as it isnt his to sell.
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Shouldn’t be any copper in the delivery of FTTH services. Would noticeably degrade performance.
 
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Shouldn’t be any copper in the delivery of FTTH services. Would noticeably degrade performance.
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it's all hub/CO dependent. FTTP/C/B/H all cheaper than hybrid fiber/coax networks to operate. Govt grants make buildout more cost effective. GPON/EPON is still shared network infrastructure among end users.

The many ive seen, as there are many around deploy fiber to exterior, and run coax from splitter or 5e from primary demarc, to modem. Ive even seen two dsl modems deployed last half mile with word fiber typed on a customer invoice.

i know several century link fiber reps who've substantiated my theory about DSL v2.0
 
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Jackcrevol said:
it's all hub/CO dependent. FTTP/C/B/H all cheaper than hybrid fiber/coax networks to operate. Govt grants make buildout more cost effective. GPON/EPON is still shared network infrastructure among end users.

The many ive seen, as there are many around deploy fiber to exterior, and run coax from splitter or 5e from primary demarc, to modem. Ive even seen two dsl modems deployed last half mile with word fiber typed on a customer invoice.

i know several century link fiber reps who've substantiated my theory about DSL v2.0
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That’s interesting. Not familiar with CL. But that sounds like the old ATT UVerse stuff. I had that years ago. Fiber fed a big cabinet at the front of the neighborhood with copper from there to the home. Big difference from fiber capabilities, and the further you were from the cabinet, the slower the service.
 
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That’s interesting. Not familiar with CL. But that sounds like the old ATT UVerse stuff. I had that years ago. Fiber fed a big cabinet at the front of the neighborhood with copper from there to the home. Big difference from fiber capabilities, and the further you were from the cabinet, the slower the service.
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all they do is pull fiber to those cabinets, or back of bldg. in many cases it isnt fiber at all.

Ma Bell is ma bell in whatever territory. Granted Att fiber (where available is legit) sales is sales.
 
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Christian Lowe said:
Apartment Landlords Are Holding Your Internet Hostage | BroadbandNow

Apparently what they’re doing is illegal if I’m reading this right. Can someone tell me what to do about this? @lawgator1 maybe?
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When I worked at the phone company apartment complexes would do this to keep things simple for them. if You have 15 different cable and internet companies there is always someone drilling new holes in their property and running lines however they want to. It looks bad and is expensive for the repairs to be done.
 
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Christian Lowe said:
I bought AT&T separate from my rent. I was just told that I’m free to continue with AT&T but the $70 extra for Spectrum will be built into my rent whether I choose to use it or not.
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If you're really against it, that's most likely illegal, and you could get a lawyer to cease and desist them. Unless you signed something in the rental agreement that you weren't aware of.
 
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jave36 said:
If you're really against it, that's most likely illegal, and you could get a lawyer to cease and desist them. Unless you signed something in the rental agreement that you weren't aware of.
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Then they just raise the rent and say they will give you free internet.
 
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jave36 said:
If you're really against it, that's most likely illegal, and you could get a lawyer to cease and desist them. Unless you signed something in the rental agreement that you weren't aware of.
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If I renew, it’ll be in the new agreement. It’s not in my current one, but all new leases will be forced to have spectrum built into their contract. Problem is, my lease is up in October.
 
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Christian Lowe said:
If I renew, it’ll be in the new agreement. It’s not in my current one, but all new leases will be forced to have spectrum built into their contract. Problem is, my lease is up in October.
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Probably still illegal, but would take more than it's worth to fight it. That would be like their saying, "You have to pay for pest control and it has to be from this one provider." Or, "You have to buy a couch and it has to be from this furniture store." They can't mandate that you purchase internet or anything else, it doesn't work that way. Now it might be legal for them to put it in the agreement and not lease to you if you don't agree, but even that may violate some laws. That's beyond my expertise, but typically you can't sign away your constitutional rights, and landlords can't refuse to lease to you because you refuse to sign away those rights.

Again, probably not worth the attorney fees to investigate and/or fight it.
 
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