Recruiting forum off topic thread (no politics, covid, or hot button issues)

[bignewt]

I believe, and excuse me if I am mispeaking here, the Jewish religion does not believe that Heaven or Hell have been created yet. That's what I remember from some reading in the past.

But to your point, people get super touchy about their beliefs because to doubt it would destroy their perception of reality. Same reason people refuse to accept that extraterrestrials are visiting Earth.

Yes if I am not mistaken the Jewish faith believe there will be a heaven on earth, as there really isn't a "heaven" like Christians believe. Also they will not experience it until every Jew has done enough to receive the reward. There is a garden of eden type place for Jews in the meantime, a pit stop if you will until then.

 

[#1GatorHater]

I'm just looking at this logically. You're born male or female unless you are born hermaphrodite which has characteristics of both sexes and is extremely rare. If you are born male and like to be considered a female, then that would be psychological and not physiological. Same with females wishing to be considered male, and those that don't want to be considered male or female. If you think that those are born mentally as a male or female but believe in their brains they are the opposite sex then they are suffering from a mental abnormality, a disease. That's fine if you believe that, really no way to prove it either way. But regardless, it's a defect of some sort.

Also, I'm not "aggressive in my stance at all. This is science. I am extremely non-judgmental toward p[people and believe they should do what they feel they should do for themselves. All I ask is to call it for what it is and quit trying to convince me it's normal and I should accept it as anything other than what it is, a physical or physiological defect.

Sorry if my message came over as you being aggressive. It just seems that when someone states their belief around gender, they tend to follow with name calling and the such. I'm not sure that you did.
To me, we should be able to have a conversation about anything where all sides can consider all arguments and then respond with fact -supported opinions.
I appreciate you answer though! I absolutely believe that sex is determined at birth. But I'm not so sure about gender yet. The topic sent me down a Google-hole, lol. I did find this scientific article which is very interesting about the Y chromosome.

The Y chromosome: beyond gender determination

 

[InVOLuntary]

Sorry if my message came over as you being aggressive. It just seems that when someone states their belief around gender, they tend to follow with name calling and the such. I'm not sure that you did.
To me, we should be able to have a conversation about anything where all sides can consider all arguments and then respond with fact -supported opinions.
I appreciate you answer though! I absolutely believe that sex is determined at birth. But I'm not so sure about gender yet. The topic sent me down a Google-hole, lol. I did find this scientific article which is very interesting about the Y chromosome.

The Y chromosome: beyond gender determination

Gender and sex used to be interchangeable. Separating the two is a progressive thing. Like I said it's mental. Should we embrace it or should we treat it like other mental illnesses?

 

[Orange_Crush]

I did not say that. I said that I have accepted Jesus as my savior. I just think that a lot Christians use that and have used that works aren't the path to heaven to excuse poor behavior towards other humans.
I am not comparing myself to God.

I wasn't accusing but asking for clarification. And I too hate to see people use grace as an excuse for license. But at the same time, I realize that it has to be all grace, because if ANY of it were up to me, I am toast.

And the reference to comparing to God wasn't to accuse one who does so of arrogance, in case that's how you took it. Just the opposite, actually. If perfection is the actual standard outside of grace, I think it beneficial for all of us to compare ourselves to that in pursuit of the humility that would have us thanking God for His grace toward us, and offering grace to others. It's only when we compare ourselves to others that we can really get prideful about how good and acceptable we are.

 

[Orange_Crush]

So I am foolish and absurd to believe no mortal man can know the truth of our existence.

You: Jesus is the savior. If you do not accept it burn in hell for eternity. Listen to my truth.

Me: i am happy you find peace in religion. I do not appreciate you telling me with condescending banter I need to rethink things as I am not telling you to.

I guess that all does not fit into your rules of debating belief structures. It breaks your paradigm.

Do I tongue in cheek poke holes in Christianity in here? Sure but only because it is the prevailing view. I would do the same to the wild ass Jewish view of heaven in earth or the extreme devotion of Muslims. There is a bigger world than just the folks you see in the pews every Sunday. I get that you have to believe you are right and everyone else is wrong but they are simply doing the same. It boggles my mind.

More word salad.

Me: "I believe that we are created in the image of a rational God, as rational beings in an orderly world, therefore I believe that we can know truth. Let's have a conversation as two rational beings that can ascertain truth."
You: "I don't believe any of us can know the truth. I believe that all viewpoints are equally valid. I believe that it is wrong to try to correct someone else's views. Therefore, I will claim to have truth and tell you that your belief is wrong."

Yes. That is foolish and demonstrably absurd.

 

[Glitch]

Got it. I didn't know gender was determined by DNA. I was taught in biology that sex is determined at birth but gender is more based on culturally accepted norms and sex is determined by chromosomes.
I guess lay-people like ourselves use the terms interchangeably when in fact they carry different definitions and ways to determine what is what.
Either way, it seems to be a difficult conversation to shine a light on the difference.
I guess legislating rights around it should wait for there to be a clearer answer on how the Constitution relates to the right of individuals who's idea of gender is outside the norm.
All of that is way out of my wheelhouse.

 

[#1GatorHater]

Gender and sex used to be interchangeable. Separating the two is a progressive thing. Like I said it's mental. Should we embrace it or should we treat it like other mental illnesses?

Oh, I just looked up the definition ls and went with it. I did not know that it was a recent development. Odd that they are using it in scholarly articles though.

 

[#1GatorHater]

Gender and sex used to be interchangeable. Separating the two is a progressive thing. Like I said it's mental. Should we embrace it or should we treat it like other mental illnesses?

Would it be a mental disorder like people who think they are smart but are really dumb or like people who have multiple personality disorder or Bipolarism?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Oh, I just looked up the definition ls and went with it. I did not know that it was a recent development. Odd that they are using it in scholarly articles though.

It's not odd at all.

 

[bignewt]

More word salad.

Therefore, I will claim to have truth and tell you that your belief is wrong."

Yes. That is foolish and demonstrably absurd.

Never said that nor did I ever claim to have truth. Talk about word salad, you are quite the tosser.

 

[#1GatorHater]

I wasn't accusing but asking for clarification. And I too hate to see people use grace as an excuse for license. But at the same time, I realize that it has to be all grace, because if ANY of it were up to me, I am toast.

And the reference to comparing to God wasn't to accuse one who does so of arrogance, in case that's how you took it. Just the opposite, actually. If perfection is the actual standard outside of grace, I think it beneficial for all of us to compare ourselves to that in pursuit of the humility that would have us thanking God for His grace toward us, and offering grace to others. It's only when we compare ourselves to others that we can really get prideful about how good and acceptable we are.

I'm just trying to get 1% better each day! I tend to sin more than I'd like. But I try to ask for forgiveness and keep it moving. I think doing service work is important and that most churches do a great job it it. Although, I would prefer that we tax churches now that they are getting involved in politics. Of course, they could write off their charitable work like the rest of us.

 

[#1GatorHater]

It's not odd at all.

Why not? Being able to compare and contrast different things (sex vs gender) requires accepted definitions. I'll do some more reading and see if I can find when the definition of gender was changed. I typically don't look for answers to end my questioning. I use answers to find better questions. If not, I get stuck

 

[Glitch]

It's not odd at all.

Best way to push the agenda is to change the meanings of words and try to make people believe it has always been that way.

 

[#1GatorHater]

Never said that nor did I ever claim to have truth. Talk about word salad, you are quite the tosser.

Syrup or jelly?

 

[#1GatorHater]

Best way to push the agenda is to change the meanings of words and try to make people believe it has always been that way.

When did it change? Can you lead me to some sources?

 

[InVOLuntary]

Would it be a mental disorder like people who think they are smart but are really dumb or like people who have multiple personality disorder or Bipolarism?

Over estimating one's intelligence I wouldn't think that would be a mental illness. MPD and bipolar are considered mental illnesses. Again, I'd you are a make and think you're a female, something is amiss in the brain.

 

[Glitch]

Why not? Being able to compare and contrast different things (sex vs gender) requires accepted definitions. I'll do some more reading and see if I can find when the definition of gender was changed. I typically don't look for answers to end my questioning. I use answers to find better questions. If not, I get stuck

In grammar, words can be masculine/feminine/neutral. This was created to mirror human genders for words like he/she or things that had characteristics of neither. So if grammar was built around the male/female gender construct why would there all of the sudden be all these other "genders". They are taking sexual preference and morphing it into gender. It is completely agenda oriented.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Why not? Being able to compare and contrast different things (sex vs gender) requires accepted definitions. I'll do some more reading and see if I can find when the definition of gender was changed. I typically don't look for answers to end my questioning. I use answers to find better questions. If not, I get stuck

I'm saying that it's not odd that scholars would change definitions to suit the narrative of choice.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Best way to push the agenda is to change the meanings of words and try to make people believe it has always been that way.

Circa 1984.

 

[#1GatorHater]

Never-ending, Webster helping me out

Definition of GENDER

Interesting how the definition of the word sex changed and becaome synonymous with the act and gender became the main word to define sex. I guess the definitions of words change all the time. That makes it really difficult to hold onto one definition to use it as the basis for legislation and protecting Constitutional rights.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Over estimating one's intelligence I wouldn't think that would be a mental illness. MPD and bipolar are considered mental illnesses. Again, I'd you are a make and think you're a female, something is amiss in the brain.

There's actually a name for the syndrome of being so dumb you think you're smart.

 

[#1GatorHater]

Over estimating one's intelligence I wouldn't think that would be a mental illness. MPD and bipolar are considered mental illnesses. Again, I'd you are a make and think you're a female, something is amiss in the brain.

How is that different, in theory, that thinking you are smart or believing that you are an "empath" or something like that? Isn't it wrapped up in what you believe about yourself?

 

[Glitch]

When did it change? Can you lead me to some sources?

It has probably been a slow boil for a while, but with all of the other issues going on they have elected in the past couple of years to take it mainstream and call anyone that disagrees with them racist/mysogonist/transiphobes and any other names to make people scared and capitulate to their war on the nuclear family. To clarify, I am not against non-traditional families. There are a lot of husband/wife households that are toxic environments and I am sure there are many examples of non-traditional families that raise well-adjusted young people. There is a concerted effort to break up the family group so that there is less dependence on your family and more on the state. People can label me conspiracy theorist or whatever, but I see it happening. It hit the black community hard in the 1960's and 1970's and in my opinion is a major source of generational struggles within that community. Fewer two parent households leads to families in need of government assistance which begins a cycle that is difficult to break.

 

[Glitch]

Circa 1984.

George Orwell was a prophet when it came to this stuff.

 

[Glitch]

Never-ending, Webster helping me out

Definition of GENDER

Interesting how the definition of the word sex changed and becaome synonymous with the act and gender became the main word to define sex. I guess the definitions of words change all the time. That makes it really difficult to hold onto one definition to use it as the basis for legislation and protecting Constitutional rights.

Yet, go back an look at immigration forms from the early 1900's or before. They all list the "Sex" of the immigrant. You don't see anything except M or F.