Recruiting forum off topic thread (no politics, covid, or hot button issues)

[bignewt]

And I'll reiterate that I didn't start the discussion with you in an effort to dissect your worldview. I weighed in by discussing the internals of the Christian worldview with someone else, and you thought it a good idea to come in and set things straight for the gallery.

My genuine desire is that you have a good day, and that the points against you cause you to rethink some things.

See we were good till that last sentence. Think about it brother. Peace in the middle east.

 

[Orange_Crush]

See we were good till that last sentence. Think about it brother. Peace in the middle east.

I don't really care if we're good. As far as I'm concerned, we've never been "not" good, and you can take criticism however you choose. If you're immune to criticism, that's on you.

And it's pretty small and cowardly to call my post fallacious (false) hubris, and then go all soft and change your boundaries where this:

My genuine desire is that you have a good day, and that the points against you cause you to rethink some things.

...is apparently unacceptable in your view.

But the point is that you took it upon yourself to pull a chair up to this game--the game of debating belief structures. And it looks terribly foolish to pull a chair up to a game, only to then be forced to empty your pockets and show that you don't even have enough on you to ante up.

Minimum stakes in the game of debating belief structures is the belief in (1) our ability to ascertain truth, and (2) the ethical acceptability of correcting someone else's beliefs.

That's just the minimum bet, sir. For how can you debate belief systems (which is the act of asserting your truth over another's) if you can't affirm your truth as truth, and your actions in correcting as ethical?

Again... Any thinking person will recognize your absurdity and write you off immediately as one with nothing to offer the conversation.

 

[#1GatorHater]

Prove that a gender besides male or female actually exists. Someone believing they are something does not make it so.

Prove that God exists.
All we have is our beliefs. Even trusting what science tells us is a belief unless we personally test the hypothesis and observe the results. What makes your beliefs more valid than theirs? Righteousness? Indignation?
Not saying that is what it is. Just wondering where you get to elevate your beliefs over others beliefs.

 

[#1GatorHater]

No doubt there are a lot of beliefs. But if you "believe" what you say you believe there can only be one truth. I choose to put my faith and hope in Jesus. I fully respect your right to choose to follow or not follow any form of religion. The one thing you CANNOT do is choose to be a Georgia fan.

 

[#1GatorHater]

What does the Christian faith ask its followers to do? If your response is based on works or following rules, your understanding is wrong. Unlike practically every other practiced faith, Christianity emphasizes salvation through grace, not how good you are.

The closer you grow in communion with God through Jesus Christ, the more obedient and subservient you become. Not because you feel compelled to work, the work’s been done, but so you bring Him glorification.

This gives a pass to people to be horrible people as long sd they accept Jesus as their savior.
I have always had an issue with that. Not the accepting Jesus as my savior, which I do. But the pass given Monday through Saturday. Like Jimmy Buffet says, there is a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning.

 

[#1GatorHater]

Yet you tell others they are wrong constantly.

You're wrong







Just kidding! We all are to some extent.

 

[#1GatorHater]

The subject wasn't about hermaphrodite.

What gender is a hermaphrodite? Born with both sex organs, is the person a man or a woman?

 

[Orange_Crush]

This gives a pass to people to be horrible people as long sd they accept Jesus as their savior.
I have always had an issue with that. Not the accepting Jesus as my savior, which I do. But the pass given Monday through Saturday. Like Jimmy Buffet says, there is a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning.

So, you're going to rely on your abilities and actions when you meet Him face to face?

Is there a danger here that your "issue" with that is because you're comparing yourself to those who aren't doing it as well as you perceive that you are doing it, instead of comparing yourself to the absolute perfect standard of God's justice?

As I've read scripture, pretty much everyone who ever met the true standard face to face, fell on their face and screamed out in horror "woe is me! for I am undone!" I get the feeling they weren't worrying what the other people were doing or not doing. They were praising God for grace that didn't smite them.

 

[InVOLuntary]

What gender is a hermaphrodite? Born with both sex organs, is the person a man or a woman?

Again, it was about genetic males and females identifying as whatever gender they wish, not about a genetic disorder. A rare disorder at that. This is a psychological issue, not a physiological issue.

 

[#1GatorHater]

And don't claim to be. Neutrality is a myth. Would be better if everyone admitted that. No one is neutral.

But I'm not wrong here. You should pay closer attention to what he's showing you in this thread.

Duality is a myth. The devil is a lie. God is the only truth. The devil is not an equal to God.

 

[#1GatorHater]

So, you're going to rely on your abilities and actions when you meet Him face to face?

Is there a danger here that your "issue" with that is because you're comparing yourself to those who aren't doing it as well as you perceive that you are doing it, instead of comparing yourself to the absolute perfect standard of God's justice?

As I've read scripture, pretty much everyone who ever met the true standard face to face, fell on their face and screamed out in horror "woe is me! for I am undone!" I get the feeling they weren't worrying what the other people were doing or not doing. They were praising God for grace that didn't smite them.

I did not say that. I said that I have accepted Jesus as my savior. I just think that a lot Christians use that and have used that works aren't the path to heaven to excuse poor behavior towards other humans.
I am not comparing myself to God.

 

[#1GatorHater]

Again, it was about genetic males a.d females identifying as whatever gender they wish, not about a genetic disorder. A rare disorder at that. This is a psychological issue, not a physiological issue.

So what are hermaphrodites? Besides their physical anatomy, what is their hormonal make-up? What gender is assigned to them if there are only males and females?

 

[Glitch]

Prove that God exists.
All we have is our beliefs. Even trusting what science tells us is a belief unless we personally test the hypothesis and observe the results. What makes your beliefs more valid than theirs? Righteousness? Indignation?
Not saying that is what it is. Just wondering where you get to elevate your beliefs over others beliefs.

Show me the "science" that says that there is a gender besides male and female. I am not talking about somebody feeling like they are trans or pans or non-binary (whatever that means). I don't care what someone wants to be referred to, but there is no science to indicate that there are more than two genders. Sexual preference is not a gender. Now, there can be masculine females and feminine males. There is evidence of that throughout history. However, a masculine female is still female and a feminine male is still a male. Not trying to push my beliefs on anybody. However, as the father of three daughters, I cannot stand idly by while predators take advantage of issues like this to claim that they are female to invade women's restrooms and attack women and young ladies. There is a fine line between allowing certain behavior and condoning it. Little Billy can believe he is female and I can allow him to have his belief (no matter how much I disagree with it) however, when it impacts other people then as a society how can we say one person's rights outweigh anothers?

 

[InVOLuntary]

So what are hermaphrodites? Besides their physical anatomy, what is their hormonal make-up? What gender is assigned to them if there are only males and females?

Lol, is hermaphrodite a physical abnormality? Is it a birth defect?

 

[Girth Brooks]

This gives a pass to people to be horrible people as long sd they accept Jesus as their savior.
I have always had an issue with that. Not the accepting Jesus as my savior, which I do. But the pass given Monday through Saturday. Like Jimmy Buffet says, there is a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning.

You’re punching below your weight class. There’s a difference in working for God’s glory (saved, seeking to serve Him through obedience) and working for His favor (not saved, seeking to earn it yourself because you believe you’re worthy). He does not need you to grow His kingdom through your works.

Matthew 7:18

A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.

You can start dissecting here, and then we will proceed….or not.

 

[Glitch]

What gender is a hermaphrodite? Born with both sex organs, is the person a man or a woman?

True hermaphrodites are extremely rare. We should treat exceptions as what they are and should not base public policy on them. They should be treated with the same rights as everyone else. Although, unless they point out the fact that they are an hermaphrodite, most people would probably never ever know.

 

[#1GatorHater]

Show me the "science" that says that there is a gender besides male and female. I am not talking about somebody feeling like they are trans or pans or non-binary (whatever that means). I don't care what someone wants to be referred to, but there is no science to indicate that there are more than two genders. Sexual preference is not a gender. Now, there can be masculine females and feminine males. There is evidence of that throughout history. However, a masculine female is still female and a feminine male is still a male. Not trying to push my beliefs on anybody. However, as the father of three daughters, I cannot stand idly by while predators take advantage of issues like this to claim that they are female to invade women's restrooms and attack women and young ladies. There is a fine line between allowing certain behavior and condoning it. Little Billy can believe he is female and I can allow him to have his belief (no matter how much I disagree with it) however, when it impacts other people then as a society how can we say one person's rights outweigh anothers?

I am not the one challenging that I am just asking where does someone who has bothered set of genitalia fall? Is it then determined by hormones, brain chemistry or what?
I am not getting into the politics of it or who can pee where. I've been in enough co-ed bathrooms to know that it is hard to poop with women in the room.

 

[#1GatorHater]

Lol, is hermaphrodite a physical abnormality? Is it a birth defect?

That is what I am asking. Y'all are all so aggressive in your stances that you are reading into my question. I have no idea. I only remember from my college biology class reading about it. And about in SE Asia where gender could not be determined until very late in the pregnancy or something like that.

Not pretending to know anything or digging my heels in anywhere. I'm smart enough to know that I don't know much.

 

[#1GatorHater]

You’re punching below your weight class. There’s a difference in working for God’s glory (saved, seeking to serve Him through obedience) and working for His favor (not saved, seeking to earn it yourself because you believe you’re worthy). He does not need you to grow His kingdom through your works.

Matthew 7:18

A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.

You can start dissecting here, and then we will proceed….or not.

I am not punching at all. I just know some super racist people that are very religious and believe that black are the descendants of Kane and are black because they were marked by good to be punished. And when I ask them about how that falls in line with their Christianity and whatnot, they tell me they are in line with scripture. I don't have any answers. But that sounds like some bs to me.

 

[#1GatorHater]

You’re punching below your weight class. There’s a difference in working for God’s glory (saved, seeking to serve Him through obedience) and working for His favor (not saved, seeking to earn it yourself because you believe you’re worthy). He does not need you to grow His kingdom through your works.

Matthew 7:18

A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.

You can start dissecting here, and then we will proceed….or not.

If we aren't supposed to grow His kingdom then why are we supposed to spread His word?

 

[Glitch]

I am not the one challenging that I am just asking where does someone who has bothered set of genitalia fall? Is it then determined by hormones, brain chemistry or what?
I am not getting into the politics of it or who can pee where. I've been in enough co-ed bathrooms to know that it is hard to poop with women in the room.

DNA.

 

[#1GatorHater]

DNA.

Got it. I didn't know gender was determined by DNA. I was taught in biology that sex is determined at birth but gender is more based on culturally accepted norms and sex is determined by chromosomes.
I guess lay-people like ourselves use the terms interchangeably when in fact they carry different definitions and ways to determine what is what.
Either way, it seems to be a difficult conversation to shine a light on the difference.
I guess legislating rights around it should wait for there to be a clearer answer on how the Constitution relates to the right of individuals who's idea of gender is outside the norm.
All of that is way out of my wheelhouse.

 

[bignewt]

I don't really care if we're good. As far as I'm concerned, we've never been "not" good, and you can take criticism however you choose. If you're immune to criticism, that's on you.

And it's pretty small and cowardly to call my post fallacious (false) hubris, and then go all soft and change your boundaries where this:



...is apparently unacceptable in your view.

But the point is that you took it upon yourself to pull a chair up to this game--the game of debating belief structures. And it looks terribly foolish to pull a chair up to a game, only to then be forced to empty your pockets and show that you don't even have enough on you to ante up.

Minimum stakes in the game of debating belief structures is the belief in (1) our ability to ascertain truth, and (2) the ethical acceptability of correcting someone else's beliefs.

That's just the minimum bet, sir. For how can you debate belief systems (which is the act of asserting your truth over another's) if you can't affirm your truth as truth, and your actions in correcting as ethical?

Again... Any thinking person will recognize your absurdity and write you off immediately as one with nothing to offer the conversation.

So I am foolish and absurd to believe no mortal man can know the truth of our existence.

You: Jesus is the savior. If you do not accept it burn in hell for eternity. Listen to my truth.

Me: i am happy you find peace in religion. I do not appreciate you telling me with condescending banter I need to rethink things as I am not telling you to.

I guess that all does not fit into your rules of debating belief structures. It breaks your paradigm.

Do I tongue in cheek poke holes in Christianity in here? Sure but only because it is the prevailing view. I would do the same to the wild ass Jewish view of heaven in earth or the extreme devotion of Muslims. There is a bigger world than just the folks you see in the pews every Sunday. I get that you have to believe you are right and everyone else is wrong but they are simply doing the same. It boggles my mind.

 

[#1GatorHater]

So I am foolish and absurd to believe no mortal man can know the truth of our existence.

You: Jesus is the savior. If you do not accept it burn in hell for eternity. Listen to my truth.

Me: i am happy you find peace in religion. I do not appreciate you telling me with condescending banter I need to rethink things as I am not telling you to.

I guess that all does not fit into your rules of debating belief structures. It breaks your paradigm.

Do I tongue in cheek poke holes in Christianity in here? Sure but only because it is the prevailing view. I would do the same to the wild ass Jewish view of heaven in earth or the extreme devotion of Muslims. There is a bigger world than just the folks you see in the pews every Sunday. I get that you have to believe you are right and everyone else is wrong but they are simply doing the same. It boggles my mind.

I believe, and excuse me if I am mispeaking here, the Jewish religion does not believe that Heaven or Hell have been created yet. That's what I remember from some reading in the past.

But to your point, people get super touchy about their beliefs because to doubt it would destroy their perception of reality. Same reason people refuse to accept that extraterrestrials are visiting Earth.

 

[InVOLuntary]

That is what I am asking. Y'all are all so aggressive in your stances that you are reading into my question. I have no idea. I only remember from my college biology class reading about it. And about in SE Asia where gender could not be determined until very late in the pregnancy or something like that.

Not pretending to know anything or digging my heels in anywhere. I'm smart enough to know that I don't know much.

I'm just looking at this logically. You're born male or female unless you are born hermaphrodite which has characteristics of both sexes and is extremely rare. If you are born male and like to be considered a female, then that would be psychological and not physiological. Same with females wishing to be considered male, and those that don't want to be considered male or female. If you think that those are born mentally as a male or female but believe in their brains they are the opposite sex then they are suffering from a mental abnormality, a disease. That's fine if you believe that, really no way to prove it either way. But regardless, it's a defect of some sort.

Also, I'm not "aggressive in my stance at all. This is science. I am extremely non-judgmental toward people and believe they should do what they feel they should do for themselves. All I ask is to call it for what it is and quit trying to convince me it's normal and I should accept it as anything other than what it is, a physical or physiological defect.