Recruiting forum off topic thread (no politics, covid, or hot button issues)

[SweetasSoda]

None of us represent the University of Tennessee. This is a message board of people claiming to be Vol fans. How do we really know the ass holes are Vol fans? Mothers, fathers, and recruits should consider that. Maybe they're Bammers or dawgs or LSU fans pretending to be Vol fans for this very reason? We know VN isn't immune to trolls.

I know that. You know that. She obviously doesn’t.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Honestly, I think that's the right answer.

Yep

 

[Orangeredblooded]

I’m not condoning hers either. Just pointing out that she went there with the #5 because she was angry with our fans and now thinks of herself as not part of our fan base. The poster pointing out that we were #1 and inferring that Boo needed us didn’t go over well obviously. I’m not saying she handled the situation well at all. But some of our fans sure didn’t. The biggest problem I have with it is he is in state. We do not currently have a good relationship with in state schools or recruits. In state recruits talk to each other. There was absolutely nothing to gain by arguing with her. No, she did not have the right to stop people from posting and speculating. But instead of arguing with her just go ahead and post!

That’s probably rightful anger towards a few posters that came after her posts, but I still go back to the mic drop directed to all of us, even though all of us weren’t involved. I have a problem with that and I will. No, I wouldn’t direct that to her, but it’s something I won’t forget.

 

[volKano]

Seems like a weak reason to me. If he likes our coaches, likes our facilities and campus, likes our academics and academic support system, likes our NIL deals, and likes the gameday experience, why would something someone hiding behind a screen name claiming to be a Vol fan influence his decision?

Bloods thicker than water. Has nothing to do with being weak.

 

[VOLSONLY]

Already did…it got deleted.

 

[Orangeredblooded]

Whatever then...go tell her some more how stupid she is.

Weak and beneath you. I never did and never would.

 

[jmacvols1]

Will Kellie Harper be another Pruitt type Fulmer hire?

Discuss.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Weak and beneath you. I never did and never would.

Look..I love you to death, but getting into an argument with a recruits parent is wrong. I don't like what she said anymore than you do, and I think she is a jerk for saying it, but I wish the mods had just kyboshed the whole thing right away so it never went any farther than the initial comments.

This crap is not productive and it does NO good at all for our program for any of us to tell off a recruits parent for being a silly a-hole.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Looks like mom is no longer a member here.

 

[KptVFL]

Looks like mom is no longer a member here.

Saw that a few days ago.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Look..I love you to death, but getting into an argument with a recruits parent is wrong. I don't like what she said anymore than you do, and I think she is a jerk for saying it, but I wish the mods had just kyboshed the whole thing right away so it never went any farther than the initial comments.

This crap is not productive and it does NO good at all for our program for any of us to tell off a recruits parent for being a silly a-hole.

Is it wrong to get into an argument with anyone else on the board?

So, she was a jerk, but people should have ignored it because of perceived benefit. But you won't ignore the people who called her out on it because they don't carry the same perceived benefit.

You're using a sliding scale of what's right/wrong to do based on what you feel is beneficial to you. That's called being a "respecter of persons", and many would consider that hypocritical.

Proverbs 28:21 -- To have respect of persons (what many of you in here are doing) is not good: for for a piece of bread that man will transgress.

In other words, it's putting your integrity up for bid.

Machiavelli taught that right/wrong are defined by outcome. i.e. "The ends justify the means." Today, "Machiavellian" is generally used as a pejorative.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Looks like mom is no longer a member here.

Banned?

 

[InVOLuntary]

Banned?

 

[SSVol]

I agree that you should never be starting arguments with a recruit's parent. Not sure what the right answer is when they start one with you. The current calm in the thread is pretty telling though.

 

[KptVFL]

Idk either. I searched for her the day after the thread was cleaned up and she was not showing up as a member. Figured I might have just been blocked or something.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Idk either. I searched for her the day after the thread was cleaned up and she was not showing up as a member. Figured I might have just been blocked or something.

Well, she completely lost me when she responded to someone that basically, "Hell yah, I'm entitled".

Didn't get into it with her, but a little humility is a beautiful thing. And using your kid's talent as social currency isn't.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Also, who here is done with Max Verstappen after Sunday?

 

[UTProf]

Just saw an article on the kid in Michigan that shot fellow students and it said that the drawing a teacher had seen said, "the thoughts won't stop - help me," with an image of a bullet and the words "blood everywhere." My question is this - why the hell did the school send him home to his parents with the whole get counseling within 48hrs? He should've been sent to a crisis center for evaluation immediately. They've charged his parents for having a gun accessible but I really don't understand why the school isn't in hot water and why there isn't a standard instant eval in situations like this.

It should be standard policy that he goes to a crisis center or some other eval center immediately. Crisis centers don't have to do an intake (a lot of times they don't) but they can do an eval and instantly treat those in crisis. Otherwise, going through regular channels it can take weeks or month for someone with a serious problem to get help. A crisis center would've held him (given the the threats) and proceeded from there. Either way no one would've died that day. And given that he was literally crying out for help maybe the whole thing could've been stopped completely.

*ETA: Apparently they didn't even take him home that day. Good Lord.

 

[SoilVol]

Just saw an article on the kid in Michigan that shot fellow students and it said that the drawing a teacher had seen said, "the thoughts won't stop - help me," with an image of a bullet and the words "blood everywhere." My question is this - why the hell did the school send him home to his parents with the whole get counseling within 48hrs? He should've been sent to a crisis center for evaluation immediately. They've charged his parents for having a gun accessible but I really don't understand why the school isn't in hot water and why there isn't a standard instant eval in situations like this.

It should be standard policy that he goes to a crisis center or some other eval center immediately. Crisis centers don't have to do an intake (a lot of times they don't) but they can do an eval and instantly treat those in crisis. Otherwise, going through regular channels it can take weeks or month for someone with a serious problem to get help. A crisis center would've held him (given the the threats) and proceeded from there. Either way no one would've died that day. And given that he was literally crying out for help maybe the whole thing could've been stopped completely.

*ETA: Apparently they didn't even take him home that day. Good Lord.

Wasn't there one of those cases where the teachers tried to send him home and have his bag searched but the parents wouldn't allow it and wouldn't take him home? And the whole time the kid had a pistol in his bag?

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Just saw an article on the kid in Michigan that shot fellow students and it said that the drawing a teacher had seen said, "the thoughts won't stop - help me," with an image of a bullet and the words "blood everywhere." My question is this - why the hell did the school send him home to his parents with the whole get counseling within 48hrs? He should've been sent to a crisis center for evaluation immediately. They've charged his parents for having a gun accessible but I really don't understand why the school isn't in hot water and why there isn't a standard instant eval in situations like this.

It should be standard policy that he goes to a crisis center or some other eval center immediately. Crisis centers don't have to do an intake (a lot of times they don't) but they can do an eval and instantly treat those in crisis. Otherwise, going through regular channels it can take weeks or month for someone with a serious problem to get help. A crisis center would've held him (given the the threats) and proceeded from there. Either way no one would've died that day. And given that he was literally crying out for help maybe the whole thing could've been stopped completely.

*ETA: Apparently they didn't even take him home that day. Good Lord.

I was going to ask, I didnt think they took him home. If I remeber correctly he met with the SRO for like 20 minutes or so then they sent him back to class. Just a failure all around. My 2 cents though, the picture shouldve been viewed as a threat. If not sending him to a crisis center send him to jail.

 

[UTProf]

I was going to ask, I didnt think they took him home. If I remeber correctly he met with the SRO for like 20 minutes or so then they sent him back to class. Just a failure all around. My 2 cents though, the picture shouldve been viewed as a threat. If not sending him to a crisis center send him to jail.

You send him to a crisis center and the picture would've been eval'd as threat enough for a hold, especially in context of everything. The fact that his parents wouldn't even take him home is enough evidence that they weren't helping him. Jail wouldn't have done a thing for a 15 year old drawing a picture - no charges would stick to that and you get the same result of him going and shooting people whenever the paperwork is cleared up. The drawing was enough for an eval to put a hold on him and with that he might've gotten help and those kids would still be alive.

When someone writes something like that they tend to mean it. Both that they want help and that they are seriously obsessing about violence towards others that they don't think they can stop themselves. It's basically them sending up a flare. He's the perfect example of a crime that could've been avoided with help. That's why the school's reaction pisses me off so much. His parents, otoh, seem even more worthless.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

You send him to a crisis center and the picture would've been eval'd as threat enough for a hold, especially in context of everything. The fact that his parents wouldn't even take him home is enough evidence that they weren't helping him. Jail wouldn't have done a thing for a 15 year old drawing a picture - no charges would stick to that and you get the same result of him going and shooting people whenever the paperwork is cleared up. The drawing was enough for an eval to put a hold on him and with that he might've gotten help and those kids would still be alive.

When someone writes something like that they tend to mean it. Both that they want help and that they are seriously obsessing about violence towards others that they don't think they can stop themselves. It's basically them sending up a flare. He's the perfect example of a crime that could've been avoided with help. That's why the school's reaction pisses me off so much. His parents, otoh, seem even more worthless.

Eh, jail can do mental health evaluations, he couldve been put on a psych hold there, and then transferred to a mental hospital.

As far as the parents I agree, I actually find it intresting that they are being charged in this situation. I actually hope their charges stick, and it will force more parents to look at how they handle their kids.

 

[jave36]

You send him to a crisis center and the picture would've been eval'd as threat enough for a hold, especially in context of everything. The fact that his parents wouldn't even take him home is enough evidence that they weren't helping him. Jail wouldn't have done a thing for a 15 year old drawing a picture - no charges would stick to that and you get the same result of him going and shooting people whenever the paperwork is cleared up. The drawing was enough for an eval to put a hold on him and with that he might've gotten help and those kids would still be alive.

When someone writes something like that they tend to mean it. Both that they want help and that they are seriously obsessing about violence towards others that they don't think they can stop themselves. It's basically them sending up a flare. He's the perfect example of a crime that could've been avoided with help. That's why the school's reaction pisses me off so much. His parents, otoh, seem even more worthless.

I agree for the most part, but thousands of kids everyday say threatening things or draw disturbing pictures. Yes it means we should get them help, but tje super low percentage that actually turn into violent acts desensitizes people. Just like fire alarms, so many have been false alarms that people don't take them seriously.

Doesn't excuse anyone, but it is a tough spot trying to decide when to take those kinds of things seriously or when a kid is just being edgy and begging for attention. No one has enough resources to take them all seriously all the time.

 

[jave36]

Eh, jail can do mental health evaluations, he couldve been put on a psych hold there, and then transferred to a mental hospital.

As far as the parents I agree, I actually find it intresting that they are being charged in this situation. I actually hope their charges stick, and it will force more parents to look at how they handle their kids.

Not related here, but I wish parents who don't lock up their guns would be charged when their kids get a hold of them and do damage. I'm pro 2nd amendment, but that gun is your responsibility. If your kid uses it poorly, that's on you.

 

[LadyVolette]

Not related here, but I wish parents who don't lock up their guns would be charged when their kids get a hold of them and do damage. I'm pro 2nd amendment, but that gun is your responsibility. If your kid uses it poorly, that's on you.

Agreed.. we have fingerprint lock on our cases .. and I store my bullets separately which my husband laughs at, but I’m a safety girl