Recruiting forum off topic thread (no politics, covid, or hot button issues)

[MoCo_Vol]

Bc they didn’t want to fire her…. Just felt the pressure to do so.

Yeah, but she also wasn't fired originally and instead resigned.

Could be she decided she didn't want a "public" figure type role when she caught the backlash she did...who knows. Not really news worthy and obviously the story is just for clicks.

 

[SSVol]

Yeah, but she also wasn't fired originally and instead resigned.

Semantics. Many employers give you the option of resigning instead of firing you. I doubt that it was her idea.

 

[Big Orange#1]

I don’t disagree. But posting something for the whole world to see - well, someone’s gonna see it. If you don’t want ppl in your business, keep your business to yourself. Not really that difficult of a concept nahmean

Yeah that’s why maybe there should be limits on underage usage of unbridled internet access? Like we have with alcohol and driving and tobacco other freedoms we enjoy. Many kids cannot use the internet safely and it can come back to bite them years later. Or if we don’t want to do that then stop holding adults accountable professionally for posts before the age of 18.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Semantics. Many employers give you the option of resigning instead of firing you. I doubt that it was her idea.

All speculation though... didn't really care when she was fired/resigned and still don't care now that she's got a new job.

There's tons of people fired or asked to resign for BS all the time.

 

[Big Orange#1]

Didn’t throw a hissy fit crying about cancel culture. Accepted it like an adult and true professional and will ya look at that she’s employed again by the very same system.

Yep she played it smart, instead of trying to become a figure of the right wing Twitter whine fest and never be hired again lol.

 

[SSVol]

All speculation though... didn't really care when she was fired/resigned and still don't care now that she's got a new job.

There's tons of people fired or asked to resign for BS all the time.

It isn't so much about her and whether it was/is newsworthy. It's more about whether an organization that I provide significant material support to mirrors my values or not. The firing suggested they didn't. The re-hiring is positive to me.

 

[SSVol]

Yep she played it smart, instead of trying to become a figure of the right wing Twitter whine fest and never be hired again lol.

Pretty sure the Twitter whine fest isn't limited to one side.

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

It isn't so much about her and whether it was/is newsworthy. It's more about whether an organization that I provide significant material support to mirrors my values or not. The firing suggested they didn't. The re-hiring is positive to me.

I get being disappointed if the university makes a decision you disagree with...we've all been there on football coaching hires alone...but I think having the expectation that a big university will mirror your own personal values is an unrealistic bar to set.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

It isn't so much about her and whether it was/is newsworthy. It's more about whether an organization that I provide significant material support to mirrors my values or not. The firing suggested they didn't. The re-hiring is positive to me.

That's fine, ultimately though I don't mind an organization that holds employees accountable for their actions and it's reassuring the same organization believes in second chances.

But I wonder how many UT employees have been let go or asked to resign that got neither the news articles or the second chances...

 

[SSVol]

I get being disappointed if the university makes a decision you disagree with...we've all been there on football coaching hires alone...but I think having the expectation that a big university will mirror your own personal values is an unrealistic bar to set.

I don't expect it, but I do consider it when determining how I spend my money.

 

[SSVol]

That's fine, ultimately though I don't mind an organization that holds employees accountable for their actions and it's reassuring the same organization believes in second chances.

But I wonder how many UT employees have been let go or asked to resign that got neither the news articles or the second chances...

Over tweets as a minor? I hope none.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Over tweets as a minor? I hope none.

I had a BG check that dated back to my teenage years before, no social media existed then but former teachers were interviewed as part of it.

Jobs have requirements and expectations, if you don't want to be held accountable for old tweets don't make them?

 

[SSVol]

I had a BG check that dated back to my teenage years before, no social media existed then but former teachers were interviewed as part of it.

Jobs have requirements and expectations, if you don't want to be held accountable for old tweets don't make them?

Clearly some of us weren't as thoughtful and introspective as you. Pretty sure my future wasn't significantly on my mind when I was in high school. As it turned out, I too underwent a thorough background check to determine whether I was worthy of a Top Secret Clearance with SCI Access. Of course if I had tweeted rap lyrics or something really bad, rather than the unsavory stuff I actually did do, I'm sure they wouldn't have granted me the clearance.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Clearly some of us weren't as thoughtful and introspective as you. Pretty sure my future wasn't significantly on my mind when I was in high school. As it turned out, I too underwent a thorough background check to determine whether I was worthy of a Top Secret Clearance with SCI Access. Of course if I had tweeted rap lyrics or something really bad, rather than the unsavory stuff I actually did do, I'm sure they wouldn't have granted me the clearance.

You seem way too sensitive about this topic and I honestly don't want to have the back and forth of subtle condescension or name calling you've already shown a capacity for resorting to when someone disagrees with you.

 

[jave36]

Clearly some of us weren't as thoughtful and introspective as you. Pretty sure my future wasn't significantly on my mind when I was in high school. As it turned out, I too underwent a thorough background check to determine whether I was worthy of a Top Secret Clearance with SCI Access. Of course if I had tweeted rap lyrics or something really bad, rather than the unsavory stuff I actually did do, I'm sure they wouldn't have granted me the clearance.

Exactly what point are you trying to make with this post? Not sarcastically asking, genuinely curious.

 

[SSVol]

Exactly what point are you trying to make with this post? Not sarcastically asking, genuinely curious.

MoCo seemed to be suggesting that we should be aware enough as high school students to not do things that would result in our firing later. I wasn't, and it bothers me that good people suffer the "consequences" of youthful ignorance. As it turned out, the federal government was willing to allow me access to the country's most sensitive information in spite of me doing things things that were far worse than tweeting something dumb when I was 16.

And @MoCo_Vol, sure, there was a bit of a jab, but not condescension. I seriously wasn't thinking about my future when I was young. The fact that you are completely ok with stuff at 16 affecting your employability tells me that either you were more purposeful, or lucky.

 

[jave36]

MoCo seemed to be suggesting that we should be aware enough as high school students to not do things that would result in our firing later. I wasn't, and it bothers me that good people suffer the "consequences" of youthful ignorance. As it turned out, the federal government was willing to allow me access to the country's most sensitive information in spite of me doing things things that were far worse than tweeting something dumb when I was 16.

And @MoCo_Vol, sure, there was a bit of a jab, but not condescension. I seriously wasn't thinking about my future when I was young. The fact that you are completely ok with stuff at 16 affecting your employability tells me that either you were more purposeful, or lucky.

Thanks. I tend to lean toward Moco actually. Publicly tweeting the n word at 16 shows a colossal lack of awareness. Everyone in my close circle was mature enough at 16 not to do something that ignorant (and I wasn't in THAT lofty of a circle), so I don't think it's too high an expectation of 16 year Olds.

However, I do agree with you that firing someone for that a decade later is going too far. I would decline to hire someone who did that personally, but I wouldn't fire someone I'd already employed. There's a big difference there for me personally.

But then again, in the media industry, you have to bend to cultural outrage more than most other industries. So I don't hold it against her company for firing her. I hate that our culture is like that, but I can't fault them for trying to protect their business. If the girl was too stupid to delete the tweet when she became a public figure, it's hard for me to have sympathy for her.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Thanks. I tend to lean toward Moco actually. Publicly tweeting the n word at 16 shows a colossal lack of awareness. Everyone in my close circle was mature enough at 16 not to do something that ignorant (and I wasn't in THAT lofty of a circle), so I don't think it's too high an expectation of 16 year Olds.

However, I do agree with you that firing someone for that a decade later is going too far. I would decline to hire someone who did that personally, but I wouldn't fire someone I'd already employed. There's a big difference there for me personally.

But then again, in the media industry, you have to bend to cultural outrage more than most other industries. So I don't hold it against her company for firing her. I hate that our culture is like that, but I can't fault them for trying to protect their business. If the girl was too stupid to delete the tweet when she became a public figure, it's hard for me to have sympathy for her.

That's where I'm at as well...although I'm not quite as blunt about it lol.

She got into a public figure role and probably sat through countless hours of lectures and read all about PR and precautious that should be made on social media.

So the fault isn't tweeting something when just a teenager...it's not being aware enough as an adult IN a media related career to not realize you should remove it before you start throwing stones.

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

MoCo seemed to be suggesting that we should be aware enough as high school students to not do things that would result in our firing later. I wasn't, and it bothers me that good people suffer the "consequences" of youthful ignorance. As it turned out, the federal government was willing to allow me access to the country's most sensitive information in spite of me doing things things that were far worse than tweeting something dumb when I was 16.

And @MoCo_Vol, sure, there was a bit of a jab, but not condescension. I seriously wasn't thinking about my future when I was young. The fact that you are completely ok with stuff at 16 affecting your employability tells me that either you were more purposeful, or lucky.

I think the problem is that us older folks who were adults before social media was a reality had a slightly different set of circumstances than kids these days and we can't fully measure our experience against kids these days. I agree that it isn't fair for an adult to be judged and face serious consequences from stupid (but legal) mistakes made as a minor on social media, but those of us that are parents have a huge responsibility when it comes to monitoring social media use and teaching kids about consequences we didn't really have to worry about.

 

[SSVol]

Thanks. I tend to lean toward Moco actually. Publicly tweeting the n word at 16 shows a colossal lack of awareness. Everyone in my close circle was mature enough at 16 not to do something that ignorant (and I wasn't in THAT lofty of a circle), so I don't think it's too high an expectation of 16 year Olds.

However, I do agree with you that firing someone for that a decade later is going too far. I would decline to hire someone who did that personally, but I wouldn't fire someone I'd already employed. There's a big difference there for me personally.

But then again, in the media industry, you have to bend to cultural outrage more than most other industries. So I don't hold it against her company for firing her. I hate that our culture is like that, but I can't fault them for trying to protect their business. If the girl was too stupid to delete the tweet when she became a public figure, it's hard for me to have sympathy for her.

Generational differences, I'd wager. My high school era was "That 70's Show". Word awareness wasn't high or our list, but being high was.

I recently fired an employee for racism and a few other xxx-isms. We gave her multiple chances to make it right. She refused to comply, which only required that she sign a statement agreeing to reasonable behavioral standards, and then act accordingly. She had worked for me for 16 years. I would hope that every employer out there would give an employee a chance to make it right, and I just hate the "she had it coming" attitude.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Generational differences, I'd wager. My high school era was "That 70's Show". Word awareness wasn't high or our list, but being high was.

I recently fired an employee for racism and a few other xxx-isms. We gave her multiple chances to make it right. She refused to comply, which only required that she sign a statement agreeing to reasonable behavioral standards, and then act accordingly. She had worked for me for 16 years. I would hope that every employer out there would give an employee a chance to make it right, and I just hate the "she had it coming" attitude.

Was she not just quoting song lyrics? I can't remember.

 

[SSVol]

I think the problem is that us older folks who were adults before social media was a reality had a slightly different set of circumstances than kids these days and we can't fully measure our experience against kids these days. I agree that it isn't fair for an adult to be judged and face serious consequences from stupid (but legal) mistakes made as a minor on social media, but those of us that are parents have a huge responsibility when it comes to monitoring social media use and teaching kids about consequences we didn't really have to worry about.

I agree with this.

I was accused of being sensitive to it, and I guess that is true. It hurt me to let someone go who had worked for me for that long. I bent over backward to prevent it. I feel that others are too quick or comfortable with doing so.

 

[SSVol]

Was she not just quoting song lyrics? I can't remember.

I think so, yeah.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

A agree with this.

I was accused of being sensitive to it, and I guess that is true. It hurt me to let someone go who had worked for me for that long. I bent over backward to prevent it. I feel that others are too quick or comfortable with doing so.

That's fair and it makes your response more understandable.

I guess what doesn't translate is that to me the whole situation was really a "non story". Had UT done nothing I wouldn't have cared or fussed, but I also feel like companies who are paying their employees have the freedom to treat situations how they see fit so I also didn't care or fuss about the "resignation" when it happened.

Your personal experience, you gave far more opportunities than I would have in the same situation.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I think so, yeah.

We need warning labels on songs stating what songs are permissible to sing for what people.