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Big151Orange said:
You severely underestimate the negative ramifications that will happen when evil and corrupt governments or people use it to serve their purposes, not for good. When Musk and the man considered to be the godfather of AI are warning about the negative consequences, its time to wake up and listen. The man who initiated AI just recently retired and has stated he regrets the work he has done. No doubt there are good things to be derived. But people almost always underestimate the length and depth of evil.
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They have concerns about it, absolutely, but they have more concerns that there is no oversight and that there’s essentially an AI arms race going on.

I trust Geoffrey Hinton’s thoughts on AI, he’s been a leader in the space for years, but it’s also hard to take some of what he says about it’s usage in full stride because he has some wild world views. He’s kind of your ultimate doomsday prepper, and not just in technology. Musk by the way, for all his interviews about it, just started his own AI company last month. Why? Because he doesn’t want to stop it, he just wants changes.
 
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Chuckie said:
But what about the large chunk of the other 7.888 billion people on this planet that would consider you to be abnormal and non-sensical? Just because someone doesn't share your beliefs and worldview doesn't mean they are weird idiots.
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Imagine a world where McGill was the common man 😅🤣

Just a neverending series of Grumpy Old Men on repeat, mixed with tales of Bubba Escobar, the last Great White Hope drugrunner. I'd watch 😂
 
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SweetasSoda said:
Maybe he thinks the tech geniuses will be the government.
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The Bay tech folks have grown quite anti govt over the years. More from a cyberpunk kind of perspective than a partisan thing. They see them as slow and inefficient and old school.

The politicians literally meet in-person and smash gavels. To tech folks, this is some 1800s shiz that is ancient and slow.

But I see your point if technology ever overtook the bureaucracy. Which, halfway, wouldn't be terrible.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
I know there are more people speaking about it than just him, but Sam Altman is the CEO of OpenAI, aka Sally, and he’s one that I see quoted the most about someone who is an expert in the field and is still terrified of AI. I actually heard snippets of a podcast he was on where he talked about it and his views were far from terrified of the technology and more of “we can manage this, but there are concerns, and we need to have discussions on how to move forward.” He doesn’t, nor should he, want to stop it.
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Geoffrey Hinton, AI pioneer, disagrees. He just quit Google so he could speak out on it.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
There are senators who barely know how the internet works, they are not who needs to be making these rules, I agree. There needs to be an oversight board of experts. Even then, still some things to figure out how to go about it.

I don’t think Elon is wrong in his thoughts about it. He wants sensible regulations in what companies can develop and how. One example is, OpenAI has an API that any engineer/developer can use that leverages ChatGPT. They themselves have said they have been very prudent about what it can be used for and how. They went about it ethically. Guard rails are in place. Another company, as it stands right now, can create a wide open AI API with no guard rails. Regulations in the future would say, no you can’t do that because you didn’t meet our guidelines. That’s just one example, albeit a not as complex example.

What I do find funny about Elon though is he helped create, or at least helped fund, OpenAI. I agree with his views on regulation, but then I look at his other company that wants to literally put a chip in your brain that connects you to a computer. It’s not necessarily AI related, depending on what he allows the chip to do, but holy **** it’s just as dangerous 😂
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I see what you're saying and do agree.

But I also think quite a bit of the development may end up underground or not out of profit houses. I think we can and should try to regulate, even if it's as simple as Asimov type principles. But also see a huge black market that will do what it does. Similar to all other software. But agree we should try and maybe it will constrict things enough.
 
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Devo182 said:
The Bay tech folks have grown quite anti govt over the years. More from a cyberpunk kind of perspective than a partisan thing. They see them as slow and inefficient and old school.

The politicians literally meet in-person and smash gavels. To tech folks, this is some 1800s shiz that is ancient and slow.

But I see your point if technology ever overtook the bureaucracy. Which, halfway, wouldn't be terrible.
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Things would certainly escalate quickly.
 
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SweetasSoda said:
Geoffrey Hinton, AI pioneer, disagrees. He just quit Google so he could speak out on it.
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It's good he left and feels able to speak freely without potentially harming his employer (seemed he was moreso anti-Microsoft, but clearly both are big players).

Think we need people free from capitalistic pursuits to be in on this, precisely how the internet and WWW were developed without monopoly. The technology and abilities are great. But if it is married with corporations and forever intertwined with big money, then the leveraged risks are just that. Democratization of this stuff will be key.
 
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Devo182 said:
It's good he left and feels able to speak freely without potentially harming his employer (seemed he was moreso anti-Microsoft, but clearly both are big players).

Think we need people free from capitalistic pursuits to be in on this, precisely how the internet and WWW were developed without monopoly. The technology and abilities are great. But if it is married with corporations and forever intertwined with big money, then the leveraged risks are just that. Democratization of this stuff will be key.
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So you think only corporations and big money are problems? There have always been and always will be people that want power and control. They don’t need a corporation to continue.
 
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Devo182 said:
I see what you're saying and do agree.

But I also think quite a bit of the development may end up underground or not out of profit houses. I think we can and should try to regulate, even if it's as simple as Asimov type principles. But also see a huge black market that will do what it does. Similar to all other software. But agree we should try and maybe it will constrict things enough.
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Black market will always be around for sure. I think the thing that’s lost in all of the craze is that the extremely advanced AI that is being used as examples are not easily made at all. ChatGPT took 5+ years and over half a billion dollars to develop. The amount of GPUs and power consumption you need to develop and maintain a large model like that is insane.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
Black market will always be around for sure. I think the thing that’s lost in all of the craze is that the extremely advanced AI that is being used as examples are not easily made at all. ChatGPT took 5+ years and over half a billion dollars to develop. The amount of GPUs and power consumption you need to develop and maintain a large model like that is insane.
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That is a very good point that I overlooked.

And when does Moore's Law hit a brick wall? Especially without an eventual leap to quantum computing, your point makes a ton of (even more) sense.
 
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SweetasSoda said:
So you think only corporations and big money are problems? There have always been and always will be people that want power and control. They don’t need a corporation to continue.
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Didn't say *only*. But corporations have a distinct advantage, along with governments, to potentially create monopolies of a vital resource out of capital and creating barriers-to-entry to others.

Monopilization of the power is certainly a monster issue. It is Elon's biggest point.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
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Narrator: “Comparable resources were not allocated.”
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Devo182 said:
Lol I've seen those "tutorials" before. So wild. And outside of internet videos, do they think they'e tricking anyone?

But also highly question if anyone outside of influencers trying to "put on" actually do that in real life. Who knows.

Just glad my wife keeps it mostly natural and I'll leave it at that🙏 Leave the clowns for the circus 😆
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A confident woman knows that wearing makeup is to accentuate her features, not to cover them up.
 
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SweetasSoda said:
What? He still said what the dangers are.

You just want to believe that it can be controlled.
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The whole discussion started with good for humanity vs bad for humanity. My first response noted there are risks or dangers and that everyone agrees there are, but that with mitigating the dangers or regulation the good outweighs the bad. That’s essentially what he’s saying right there.

In the end, it’s all just our opinions, and we know we all won’t agree on everything. I realize my views on AI are different than most in here.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
The whole discussion started with good for humanity vs bad for humanity. My first response noted there are risks or dangers and that everyone agrees there are, but that with mitigating the dangers or regulation the good outweighs the bad. That’s essentially what he’s saying right there.

In the end, it’s all just our opinions, and we know we all won’t agree on everything. I realize my views on AI are different than most in here.
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You’re right about our opinion not mattering. They are going forward even with their doubts. So we’re going to find out.
 
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