Recruiting Forum: Official Arkansas Pre-Game/Game Thread

[Vols4us]

From his first presser on Butch lacked wisdom. He made statements then, throughout, and now that were not true and tried to sell them. He was building an image of greatness to come without the product. He grabbed the gold ring believing too strongly in his creation. Don't feel sorry for him, he made out like a bandit and his family has been taken care of for life. He and all of his staff will have jobs somewhere else when the curtain falls.

Hart needs to be gone, gone, gone. The reason this keeps happening is in UT's leadership from the every position including the BOT and big donors. They need to start over with the basics of what it means to be a Vol and go from there.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

From his first presser on Butch lacked wisdom. He made statements then, throughout, and now that were not true and tried to sell them. He was building an image of greatness to come without the product. He grabbed the gold ring believing too strongly in his creation. Don't feel sorry for him, he made out like a bandit and his family has been taken care of for life. He and all of his staff will have jobs somewhere else when the curtain falls.

Hart needs to be gone, gone, gone. The reason this keeps happening is in UT's leadership from the every position including the BOT and big donors. They need to start over with the basics of what it means to be a Vol and go from there.

I feel very sorry for him. To invest everything in your being into something, and to experience the failure that YOU simply did not measure up is devastating to a man. No one can say he hasnt given his all, and money does nothing for the void of not measuring up.

I guess I tend to see people, rather than money in/out

 

[LA Vol]

I feel very sorry for him. To invest everything in your being into something, and to experience the failure that YOU simply did not measure up is devastating to a man. No one can say he hasnt given his all, and money does nothing for the void of not measuring up.

I guess I tend to see people, rather than money in/out

So if he stays in the job, continues to do what he's doing and takes UT's money while causing longer-term damage to the program that he was hired to protect, do you respect that? Acknowledging failure is one thing-- and yes, it is very difficult -- but perpetuating it is another thing entirely.

 

[zhangliao04]

I feel very sorry for him. To invest everything in your being into something, and to experience the failure that YOU simply did not measure up is devastating to a man. No one can say he hasnt given his all, and money does nothing for the void of not measuring up.

I guess I tend to see people, rather than money in/out

Been thinking about this as well. Butch has put a ton into this program. More than a lot of us would ever know, I am sure.

 

[Playdo]

Been thinking about this as well. Butch has put a ton into this program. More than a lot of us would ever know, I am sure.

And he and his future grandchildren can wipe away his tears with the millions of dollars the university gave him.

 

[Vols4us]

The football program is a business. Butch's situation is no different than failure at any job, from custodian to astronaut. Sure, he should receive our prayers and support for personal well being and peace. But very few jobs offer the financial independence that being a fired coach at that level provides. When it becomes necessary for the health and well being of the corporate whole, which in this case is the UTAD as well as the student athletes, then there should be no hesitation.

If he has invested everything into this as nick indicates, then he needs to re-examine his life and priorities. Which may be why he failed.

 

[BondJamesBond]

The stupid is strong in this thread. Are you people that clueless or just trolling? Butch is a good coach. Manning, Gruden, dozens of former Vols and dozens of current players who see him every day believe so. I doubt anyone on this tread can trump those guys when it comes to bona fides. This program has come back a long way, and no reasonable person expected a complete turnaround by year three, given that year 1 recruiting was only a month long patch job. We basically have 2 1/2 recruiting classes and a sophomore team. Hard work is hard, and you don't magically become a conference champion without a lot of time and work. Did you really think we would be better than 7 +/- 1 wins? Are you that dumb when it comes to football?

 

[BondJamesBond]

I think we'll clean house next year-- new AD, new HC, all new staff. I just wonder how much damage has been done with players and recruits.

That answers my question. Troll.

 

[UTCVol]

The stupid is strong in this thread. Are you people that clueless or just trolling? Butch is a good coach. Manning, Gruden, dozens of former Vols and dozens of current players who see him every day believe so. I doubt anyone on this tread can trump those guys when it comes to bona fides. This program has come back a long way, and no reasonable person expected a complete turnaround by year three, given that year 1 recruiting was only a month long patch job. We basically have 2 1/2 recruiting classes and a sophomore team. Hard work is hard, and you don't magically become a conference champion without a lot of time and work. Did you really think we would be better than 7 +/- 1 wins? Are you that dumb when it comes to football?

I think the most disappointing thing is that we proved we were the better and more talented team for the majority of every game, and folded at the end. There's a profound inability to make adjustments.

So yeah, when we should be at least 4-1 the coaches shoulder most of the blame.

 

[Aesius]

The stupid is strong in this thread. Are you people that clueless or just trolling? Butch is a good coach. Manning, Gruden, dozens of former Vols and dozens of current players who see him every day believe so. I doubt anyone on this tread can trump those guys when it comes to bona fides. This program has come back a long way, and no reasonable person expected a complete turnaround by year three, given that year 1 recruiting was only a month long patch job. We basically have 2 1/2 recruiting classes and a sophomore team. Hard work is hard, and you don't magically become a conference champion without a lot of time and work. Did you really think we would be better than 7 +/- 1 wins? Are you that dumb when it comes to football?

McElwain has a one month recruiting class, freshmen starting everywhere, and a 5-0 team. Guess you can magically become a good team when you have a good coach.

Harbaugh is doing the same in Michigan. What are your excuses for their success?

 

[VolGee4]

I feel very sorry for him. To invest everything in your being into something, and to experience the failure that YOU simply did not measure up is devastating to a man. No one can say he hasnt given his all, and money does nothing for the void of not measuring up.

I guess I tend to see people, rather than money in/out

Yes, Gary Parrish talks about this a lot. Coaches/people at this level want to succeed. Fans like to say that a fired coach will be fine because he made money. These guys don't want to be failures just like everyone else in life. There is more to it than money. I would be willing to bet that Butch would give some of his money back if it meant that he got a couple of his losses back.

 

[VolGee4]

And he and his future grandchildren can wipe away his tears with the millions of dollars the university gave him.

And I would say Butch would give some of it back if it meant people wouldn't call him a bad coach. The money argument is dumb. These are humans who don't want to fail. You think Butch is happy to listen to the criticism even though he makes a lot of money? Hell no.

 

[jave36]

And I would say Butch would give some of it back if it meant people wouldn't call him a bad coach. The money argument is dumb. These are humans who don't want to fail. You think Butch is happy to listen to the criticism even though he makes a lot of money? Hell no.

If wager a large sum he would not give any back for people to talk nicely about him.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

And I would say Butch would give some of it back if it meant people wouldn't call him a bad coach. The money argument is dumb. These are humans who don't want to fail. You think Butch is happy to listen to the criticism even though he makes a lot of money? Hell no.

Butch obviously doesn't give a flying f*** whether people think he's a good coach or not or he'd have owned his mistakes, hired an OC besides an old yes-man, and/or made adjustments to his awful philosophy by now.

He's too much of an egomaniac to care if people think he's a good coach. He thinks he is and that's all that matters to him.