Recruiting Forum: UNofficial Oklahoma Pre-Game Thread

[cgarner30]

I wasn't able to watch the game last night, and can't find a video or still shot of the non-fumble by Oklahoma that was so critical in the first half. Has anybody seen it posted anywhere? Thanks in advance.

 

[InVOLuntary]

IMO, its hard to judge the oc when the oline is getting beat that bad and the wrs have the drops that they had...very young line and they all come back for next year...

Three things bother me about the scheme/play calling:


Continually running reverses and sweeps against a team that runs faster to the edge than you do. Definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

Running that play on the goal line resulting in a pick 6. The ultimate play would be the zone read and have Justin actually keep the ball, no one in the world would have expected it.

And three, running the zone read time and time again with the qb never keeping it. It never causes the intended affect of having the DE to think and it slows the running back down.

 

[volstopfan14]

Redshirt?

He's a starter on our punt team and plays in every game. So no redshirt.

 

[volstopfan14]

Coleman Thomas missed the block on the guy that caused Worley to fumble. Still though he played decent though. Our young guys will learn from this game!

Not true at all. The hit that caused Worley's fumble came off the left edge so Thomas was not involved at all.

That was not the fault of any of the linemen. The play was a packaged run/pass option we've been running. OL was blocking for an inside run and Worley could've handed off or thrown to either side. He wanted to throw the quick out to the right, but it was well covered so he had no where to go. I think this was probably a case of Worley making a decision pre-snap on where to go with the ball but then realizing post-snap that it isn't open. So it was a poor read by Worley that caused the fumble. The ball was never intended to be in his hands that long.

In reality, the middle of the field was wide open for a handoff and Worley had both Johnson and North wide open up top on hitch routes. On a play like that where the line is blocking the run, the number one thing Worley has to do is make a decision fast. Either hand it off or throw it, I don't care. But do something.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Not true at all. The hit that caused Worley's fumble came off the left edge so Thomas was not involved at all.

That was not the fault of any of the linemen. The play was a packaged run/pass option we've been running. OL was blocking for an inside run and Worley could've handed off or throw to either side. He wanted to throw the quick out to the right, but it was well covered so he had no where to go. So it was a poor read by Worley that caused the delay. The ball was never intended to be in his hands that long.

In reality, the middle of the field was wide open for a handoff and Worley had both Johnson and North wide open up top on hitch routes. On a play like that where the line is blocking the run, the number one thing Worley has to do is make a decision fast. Either hand it off or throw it, I don't care. But do something.

Yep, unblocked rusher from the blind side. If you ever watch Peyton, he punishes teams for the blitz. He puts the ball right where the blitz comes from.

 

[RikidyBones]

I am hung over boys. Recovery isn't a fast as it used to be

 

[Skullbone]

The score should have been 27-21. Got to score TDs in the red zone.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

I wasn't able to watch the game last night, and can't find a video or still shot of the non-fumble by Oklahoma that was so critical in the first half. Has anybody seen it posted anywhere? Thanks in advance.

Sometimes the game gets uploaded to Youtube after a few days. I know that doesn't help you now, but just FYI

 

[jman9865]

Did the ball hit Croom in his hands? Honest question.

Yep.

 

[Vol464]

Sometimes the game gets uploaded to Youtube after a few days. I know that doesn't help you now, but just FYI

Sec network has bee replaying the games, but some of it gets cut out.

 

[cgarner30]

Sometimes the game gets uploaded to Youtube after a few days. I know that doesn't help you now, but just FYI

Thanks, I'll make sure to keep looking. I'd really like to see it since so many people thought it was a fumble, and it turned out to be so important.

 

[jave36]

What???

Croom had two hands perfectly on it. You cannot throw that ball any better.

He could have caught it, as is, or even better, turned his body a bit to face the ball, but that was a perfectly thrown football.

First and only good deep throw by Worley all year.

 

[KnoxVillain]

I'm probably the only one that thinks it because maybe I was the only one that saw the play through sober eyes. Believe what you guys want. I've been watching Worley struggle with his accuracy down the field since the spring game. And it will continue as the season wears on. The pass to Croom was no different. It's the QBs job to lead the WR to where only he can get the ball. Not throw it up and hope for the best.

Are you smoking crack? The ball hit Croom right in the hands. Funny how you are the only one that sees it your way and EVERYONE else is wrong. :crazy:

 

[jspvol76]

Thanks, I'll make sure to keep looking. I'd really like to see it since so many people thought it was a fumble, and it turned out to be so important.

Whether it was a fumble or not wasn't really in question, it was whether he regained control with the ball wedged between his upper arm and side while his knee was on the ground. The fumble part of the play was very clear to see.

 

[Vols4us]

Are you smoking crack? The ball hit Croom right in the hands. Funny how you are the only one that sees it your way and EVERYONE else is wrong. :crazy:

Dune must be having a bad day.

Let's put it this way - if that same pass with that same defender was made to North - who catches the ball? It really is that simple and we all know the answer. Croom does not attack the catch. He does not battle for the ball. Worley did his job, the pass was on the money.

My point is why put him in a position to be the guy to make a catch? I know Pearson was out and Smith was injured. But you still had North and Pig to go to along with the totally forgotten TE position. Jake doesn't think right.

 

[unioncityvol]

I wasn't able to watch the game last night, and can't find a video or still shot of the non-fumble by Oklahoma that was so critical in the first half. Has anybody seen it posted anywhere? Thanks in advance.

Monday night 7:00 ESPNU. Replay.

 

[cgarner30]

Whether it was a fumble or not wasn't really in question, it was whether he regained control with the ball wedged between his upper arm and side while his knee was on the ground. The fumble part of the play was very clear to see.

Thanks for the explanation. The only picture I've found so far is of the RB on the ground, pinning the ball to his hip with his elbow. Your description of what happened makes more sense than what I had come up with reading about the play and only seeing the one shot!

 

[cgarner30]

Monday night 7:00 ESPNU. Replay.

Thanks!

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Croom should have had it...period..He had a bad drop early in the game, too. To put that on Worley since Worley has a history of poor deep balls is asinine.

Exactly. If it were a clearly overthrown ball then I would put it on Worley. That pass was 100% on Croom. The ball hit him in the hands and there is no reason with his size that he should not have caught it.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

The defender could only make a play on the ball AFTER it went through both hands of the receiver. The WR had 100 of the advantage on that throw

 

[LaagerVol]

IMO, its hard to judge the oc when the oline is getting beat that bad and the wrs have the drops that they had...very young line and they all come back for next year...

I do think his hands were tied somewhat, but there ARE things you can do to help a young, overwhelmed line out a little. Like keep the TE in to chip on Striker for one. I realize that isn't exactly how our scheme works, but sometimes you have to make those adjustments.

 

[Otis07]

a very catchable ball by Croom

 

[WallyBalls]

I do think his hands were tied somewhat, but there ARE things you can do to help a young, overwhelmed line out a little. Like keep the TE in to chip on Striker for one. I realize that isn't exactly how our scheme works, but sometimes you have to make those adjustments.

I think they did keep a TE in there several times.

I'm pretty sure I remember a couple whiffs that would've almost been funny had they not gotten Worley blasted.

Joys of green players, I suppose.

 

[Vols4us]

I think they did keep a TE in there several times.

I'm pretty sure I remember a couple whiffs that would've almost been funny had they not gotten Worley blasted.

Joys of green players, I suppose.

This. TE whiffs and lost as gooses frequently. We missed Wolf badly. Need to keep an RB in to block the first guy that comes uncovered. Most of the formations did not do that. Scheme screw up by Jake IMO. When he did have one stay in they looked inside instead of knowing where Striker was.

 

[Section KK]

This. TE whiffs and lost as gooses frequently. We missed Wolf badly. Need to keep an RB in to block the first guy that comes uncovered. Most of the formations did not do that. Scheme screw up by Jake IMO. When he did have one stay in they looked inside instead of knowing where Striker was.

I thought we adjusted at halftime somewhat, and Hurd, in particular, did a good job pass-blocking when we kept him back there.