Recruiting means nothing

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if we can't develop the talent. It has plagued UT since early 2ks. We haven't had a solid QB since cut was here, Bray had a huge arm but couldn't even read his check downs. Players like Berry and Patterson are the only guys that have been able to shine for us because they were truly special.

Getting the players here is just half the battle of recruiting, developing is the other half. I'm not putting all my eggs in the recruiting basket even if it is the only basket left for the season. Discuss :)
 
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No, recruiting certainly isn't all we need but it's a lot and it's the major piece right now. Gotta have chicken to make chicken salad.
 
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SandoVOL said:
if we can't develop the talent. It has plagued UT since early 2ks. We haven't had a solid QB since cut was here, Bray had a huge arm but couldn't even read his check downs. Players like Berry and Patterson are the only guys that have been able to shine for us because they were truly special.

Getting the players here is just half the battle of recruiting, developing is the other half. I'm not putting all my eggs in the recruiting basket even if it is the only basket left for the season. Discuss :)
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When a kid has more high level elite athleticism then it is much easier to get production out of them than the slow 2* kid that has half their God given ability. Can't coach speed and athleticism. Great now I have the brain pain from this....

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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
When a kid has more high level elite athleticism then it is much easier to get production out of them than the slow 2* kid that has half their God given ability. Can't coach speed and athleticism. Great now I have the brain pain from this....
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Loud noises! Example of under developed talent, O line.
 
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
When a kid has more high level elite athleticism then it is much easier to get production out of them than the slow 2* kid that has half their God given ability. Can't coach speed and athleticism. Great now I have the brain pain from this....

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Ok, so what's the excuse when there are 4 star players all over the field on both sides of the ball?
 
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SandoVOL said:
if we can't develop the talent. It has plagued UT since early 2ks. We haven't had a solid QB since cut was here, Bray had a huge arm but couldn't even read his check downs. Players like Berry and Patterson are the only guys that have been able to shine for us because they were truly special.

Getting the players here is just half the battle of recruiting, developing is the other half. I'm not putting all my eggs in the recruiting basket even if it is the only basket left for the season. Discuss :)
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It's a helluva lot easier to "develop" a stud athlete than it is a "lesser" athlete. Not saying player development doesn't matter, it absolutely does. But make no mistake, as has been said before, it's "all about the Jimmies and Joes, not the Xs and Os"....
 
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SandoVOL said:
if we can't develop the talent. It has plagued UT since early 2ks. We haven't had a solid QB since cut was here, Bray had a huge arm but couldn't even read his check downs. Players like Berry and Patterson are the only guys that have been able to shine for us because they were truly special.

Getting the players here is just half the battle of recruiting, developing is the other half. I'm not putting all my eggs in the recruiting basket even if it is the only basket left for the season. Discuss :)
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i agree with you on this but rec. is very important also because you need to have a good base of talent and knowledge to grow. it will take a few yrs to get back to were the fan base wants to be. :good!:
 
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SmokeySC said:
Neither is Worley.

Jones stated that they will fit the offense to the QB's strengths ... That's why Dobb's is running a lot because he can't throw for #@#! right now .
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The question had nothing to do with CBJ. It was how Coach Cut might have affected Tyler Bray.
 
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I've always thought to much emphasis was put on recruiting! Look at what Stanford has been able to accomplish. I remember Fulmers last call in show in 05 and again several times during 08 he commented on the high recruiting class he had coming in. What a farse!
 
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KBVol said:
It's a helluva lot easier to "develop" a stud athlete than it is a "lesser" athlete. Not saying player development doesn't matter, it absolutely does. But make no mistake, as has been said before, it's "all about the Jimmies and Joes, not the Xs and Os"....
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Not so sure about this at the college level. Boise States QBs havent been top tier athletes yet very effective at college. A few Gators have done the same ala Danny Weurfell.

Coaching and position discipline matter in college. Its why teams like Appalachian State can upset a Michigan or a Georgia Southern can upset the Gators, or more painfully a Memphis team can upset a Peyton Manning led Vols. Horses matter, but the guys riding the horses matter too and more so in college.
 
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SandoVOL said:
if we can't develop the talent. It has plagued UT since early 2ks. We haven't had a solid QB since cut was here, Bray had a huge arm but couldn't even read his check downs. Players like Berry and Patterson are the only guys that have been able to shine for us because they were truly special.

Getting the players here is just half the battle of recruiting, developing is the other half. I'm not putting all my eggs in the recruiting basket even if it is the only basket left for the season. Discuss :)
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Look at the players we have had in the past, who were good but really reached their potential once in the NFL.

A. Foster comes to mind... I am sure there are others though.
 
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It takes both (recruiting and developing talent) to be successful. It has been a long time since we had a great QB coach that can develop talent and the results have shown at that position.

Another area we've been very weak is special teams. I can't recall the last time we had solid special teams. Palardy like a rock star has been solid, but our coverage has been terrible for a long time and so has our return game (except for Patterson last year).
 
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checkerboards09 said:
Ok, so what's the excuse when there are 4 star players all over the field on both sides of the ball?
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None. There's not many valid excuses left for butch. Just that he doesn't have his players yet. But that won't be valid next year or the year after when he still sucks
 
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knoxvols11 said:
I've always thought to much emphasis was put on recruiting! Look at what Stanford has been able to accomplish. I remember Fulmers last call in show in 05 and again several times during 08 he commented on the high recruiting class he had coming in. What a farse!
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Stanford and Bama come to mind of coaching staffs getting more out of their players.

Some may look at Bama and say it would be easy to win with all of that talent. But Saban actually challenges them to get better and they respond. He demands perfection, not merely being good.

Stanford is starting from recruiting deficit but they, too, get more out of their players than they "should."

Top notch recruiting classes are great but they have to learn to co-exist and strive to get better and not be a bunch of pre-madonnas!
 
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SandoVOL said:
Loud noises! Example of under developed talent, O line.
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Would the O line had been better had Tennessee retained Sam Pittman? I realize that Butch wants to be surrounded by his staff but O line did seem to respond to Pittman last year and seemed to regress under DonMahoney.
 
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vtvol98 said:
Would the O line had been better had Tennessee retained Sam Pittman? I realize that Butch wants to be surrounded by his staff but O line did seem to respond to Pittman last year and seemed to regress under DonMahoney.
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I agree they looked best under Pittman
 
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