Recruiting means nothing

#76
#76
SandoVOL said:
if we can't develop the talent. It has plagued UT since early 2ks. We haven't had a solid QB since cut was here, Bray had a huge arm but couldn't even read his check downs. Players like Berry and Patterson are the only guys that have been able to shine for us because they were truly special.

Getting the players here is just half the battle of recruiting, developing is the other half. I'm not putting all my eggs in the recruiting basket even if it is the only basket left for the season. Discuss :)
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My eggs are all in, believe CBJ and the best staff he hopefully gets in here along with 2 years of solid recruiting will bring us back to dominance. just got to have blind faith and put all your eggs into our team and be patient.
 
#78
#78
SandoVOL said:
if we can't develop the talent. It has plagued UT since early 2ks. We haven't had a solid QB since cut was here, Bray had a huge arm but couldn't even read his check downs. Players like Berry and Patterson are the only guys that have been able to shine for us because they were truly special.

Getting the players here is just half the battle of recruiting, developing is the other half. I'm not putting all my eggs in the recruiting basket even if it is the only basket left for the season. Discuss :)
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You shot your own argument down citing Berry and Patterson, both highly rated as recruits. Bray was a consensus 3 star recruit. Of course the coaching staff needs to develop whatever talent they recruit, but to say "recruiting means nothing" is absurd. Please take a look at Rivals.com and see how the Bammers have recruited under Saban, then tell me recruiting means nothing.
 
#79
#79
Great talent is way more apt to make mediocre or bad coaches look good than good coaching is to make untalented players look good.


That being said, in big time football, SEC football, you better have both talent and coaching if you hope to win championships
 
#82
#82
vtvol98 said:
Fulmer's 3rd ranked class in 2007 pretty much refutes this argument.

Tennessee Volunteers Football: Power Ranking the Last 5 Recruiting Classes | Bleacher Report
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No it doesn't. There are exceptions to every rule. However if you really think that top notch talent requires as much coaching up as much lesser talent then I don't know what to tell you. Every year there are 5* that does not live up to the hype.

Eric Berry was a freshman and started as a true freshman. So do you think he required the same amount of coaching as one of the other DBs? The answer is no.
 
#84
#84
SandoVOL said:
if we can't develop the talent. It has plagued UT since early 2ks. We haven't had a solid QB since cut was here, Bray had a huge arm but couldn't even read his check downs. Players like Berry and Patterson are the only guys that have been able to shine for us because they were truly special.

Getting the players here is just half the battle of recruiting, developing is the other half. I'm not putting all my eggs in the recruiting basket even if it is the only basket left for the season. Discuss :)[/QUOTe

No ! Just no!
Recruiting is the cornerstone to college football.
Coaching them up is important but obtaining the talent is paramount.
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#85
#85
when you recruit a qb who has big stats in high school and people say its the system the team used remember this...if you dont run the same system in college its not going to work
 
#86
#86
SmokeySC said:
Neither is Worley.

Jones stated that they will fit the offense to the QB's strengths ... That's why Dobb's is running a lot because he can't throw for #@#! right now .
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That's strange because he sure didn't coach to any of the team's strengths this year. QB or any other position.
 
#87
#87
Boca Vol said:
Stanford and Bama come to mind of coaching staffs getting more out of their players.

Some may look at Bama and say it would be easy to win with all of that talent. But Saban actually challenges them to get better and they respond. He demands perfection, not merely being good.

Stanford is starting from recruiting deficit but they, too, get more out of their players than they "should."

Top notch recruiting classes are great but they have to learn to co-exist and strive to get better and not be a bunch of pre-madonnas!
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Should have been the last post in the thread. Well put.

Tennessee has a talent gap that is undeniable. It appears we are closing that up. To get where the program wants to be it has to have the other
component as well. Without that you have a underachieving team with a lot of talent.
 
#88
#88
Volru said:
You shot your own argument down citing Berry and Patterson, both highly rated as recruits. Bray was a consensus 3 star recruit. Of course the coaching staff needs to develop whatever talent they recruit, but to say "recruiting means nothing" is absurd. Please take a look at Rivals.com and see how the Bammers have recruited under Saban, then tell me recruiting means nothing.
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The sentence read, recruiting means nothing if we can't develop the talent. Obviously Saban is the best in college football so that is proving my point.

Coaches are making huge salaries in college now, to win championships it requires talent and coaching. Can't win on just talent anymore.
 
#92
#92
KBVol said:
It's a helluva lot easier to "develop" a stud athlete than it is a "lesser" athlete. Not saying player development doesn't matter, it absolutely does. But make no mistake, as has been said before, it's "all about the Jimmies and Joes, not the Xs and Os"....
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Been said... and is still false. It is about both. Neither by itself is good enough. The best coaches in the SEC won't forget how to recruit, develop players, or coach just because Jones has a top 5 recruiting class.

BTW, Gary Pinkel and James Franklin say hello.
 
#93
#93
InVOLuntary said:
I wonder how good Bray could have been under coach Cut?
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One thing is for sure, Bray would have acted right on and off the field or he wouldn't have played for Cutcliffe. With that being said, if he had listened and conformed to what Cutcliffe would have demanded, Bray would have been very successful.
 
#94
#94
VolDomination said:
That's strange because he sure didn't coach to any of the team's strengths this year. QB or any other position.
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This team, even though the OL hasn't played to expectations, has rushed for more yds than any UT team since 2004 or so. Jones has definitely coached to that strength this season given that we cant throw the ball at all.

I would also say that Palardy's punting this season has been a strength. We've correctly played field position football, trying to flip the field and force teams to go the length of the field this year meaning he's coached to that strength as well.

Unfortunately, that's about the only 2 strengths this team has.
 
#95
#95
knoxvols11 said:
I've always thought to much emphasis was put on recruiting! Look at what Stanford has been able to accomplish. I remember Fulmers last call in show in 05 and again several times during 08 he commented on the high recruiting class he had coming in. What a farse!
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Recruiting is where its at . The correlation is undeniable ..Just look at Bama. There are exceptions sure ...there are teams that have good recruiting that fail and there are teams that have bad recruiting that are successful. For the most part though...the top notch teams are top notch recruiters
 
#97
#97
KBVol said:
This team, even though the OL hasn't played to expectations, has rushed for more yds than any UT team since 2004 or so. Jones has definitely coached to that strength this season given that we cant throw the ball at all.

I would also say that Palardy's punting this season has been a strength. We've correctly played field position football, trying to flip the field and force teams to go the length of the field this year meaning he's coached to that strength as well.

Unfortunately, that's about the only 2 strengths this team has.
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Did you forget 3rd and 33 at Florida trying to throw a pass. Run and punt. There are numerous things like this through the season.

Palardy is having a very good year. Jones did instill confidence in him.
 
#98
#98
VolDomination said:
Did you forget 3rd and 33 at Florida trying to throw a pass. Run and punt. There are numerous things like this through the season.

Palardy is having a very good year. Jones did instill confidence in him.
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Sorry... your point?
 
#99
#99
sjt18 said:
Been said... and is still false. It is about both. Neither by itself is good enough. The best coaches in the SEC won't forget how to recruit, develop players, or coach just because Jones has a top 5 recruiting class.

BTW, Gary Pinkel and James Franklin say hello.
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Sure 18.... whatever you say.
 
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