Recruiting means nothing

#26
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SandoVOL said:
if we can't develop the talent. It has plagued UT since early 2ks. We haven't had a solid QB since cut was here, Bray had a huge arm but couldn't even read his check downs. Players like Berry and Patterson are the only guys that have been able to shine for us because they were truly special.

Getting the players here is just half the battle of recruiting, developing is the other half. I'm not putting all my eggs in the recruiting basket even if it is the only basket left for the season. Discuss :)
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I'm going to go with true as my answer.
 
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#28
So we r saying the reason we r losing is talent but now we r saying rec top talent isn't the answer..

Classic VN.. Lol

I understand the developing n base on how this team has regressed I would say we better get more jimmy n joes because the coaches r suspect at this point.
 
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SandoVOL said:
if we can't develop the talent. It has plagued UT since early 2ks. We haven't had a solid QB since cut was here, Bray had a huge arm but couldn't even read his check downs. Players like Berry and Patterson are the only guys that have been able to shine for us because they were truly special.

Getting the players here is just half the battle of recruiting, developing is the other half. I'm not putting all my eggs in the recruiting basket even if it is the only basket left for the season. Discuss :)
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Oh yes it does matter, IMO.
 
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Insunseri said:
Just wait till the guys from the crootin forum find this. Pitchforks and torches my friend.
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Most realize we don't win championships according to only our rivals rankings, I'm not downplaying the importance of getting talent on campus. Like I said, developing and utilizing is the other half of recruiting.
 
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rlstone11 said:
Not so sure about this at the college level. Boise States QBs havent been top tier athletes yet very effective at college. A few Gators have done the same ala Danny Weurfell.

Coaching and position discipline matter in college. Its why teams like Appalachian State can upset a Michigan or a Georgia Southern can upset the Gators, or more painfully a Memphis team can upset a Peyton Manning led Vols. Horses matter, but the guys riding the horses matter too and more so in college.
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Easier to develop Peyton Manning or Justin Worley? Al Wilson or John Propst? Leonard Little or Jacques Smith? Carl Pickens or Josh Smith? Jamal Lewis or Rajion Neal? Why do I think Jalen Hurd's development might go better and quicker than Tom Smith's has?

I understand your point, and I originally posted that player development definitely matters. Quite honestly I've a little disappointed that we can't see evidence of it in numerous position groups, WR in particular.

That being said, while we can all pull out examples of players and teams overachieving that we attribute to player development over time, I'll still stand behind that idea that guys with more natural strength, quickness, explosiveness and better 40 times are much more likely to be developed by a coaching staff.
 
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checkerboards09 said:
Ok, so what's the excuse when there are 4 star players all over the field on both sides of the ball?
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One season of a different coaching staff is not going to change the 3 years of poor mental and physical coaching for the few 4* players we have left with 3* back ups.

My response was to the stupid statement below...if you don't want top 5 talent here then that is just flat out stupid. Having elite talent in the system you run only makes your team that more dangerous ex. Auburn/Malzahn.

Getting the players here is just half the battle of recruiting, developing is the other half. I'm not putting all my eggs in the recruiting basket even if it is the only basket left for the season.
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#37
#37
Recruiting means nothing, and it certainly isn't why Bama is so good. Good point OP, good point
 
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KBVol said:
Easier to develop Peyton Manning or Justin Worley? Al Wilson or John Propst? Leonard Little or Jacques Smith? Carl Pickens or Josh Smith? Jamal Lewis or Rajion Neal? Why do I think Jalen Hurd's development might go better and quicker than Tom Smith's has?

I understand your point, and I originally posted that player development definitely matters. Quite honestly I've a little disappointed that we can't see evidence of it in numerous position groups, WR in particular.

That being said, while we can all pull out examples of players and teams overachieving that we attribute to player development over time, I'll still stand behind that idea that guys with more natural strength, quickness, explosiveness and better 40 times are much more likely to be developed by a coaching staff.
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Speed can not be coached into a player...it can only recruited by a coach.
 
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VolsByNature said:
Recruiting means nothing, and it certainly isn't why Bama is so good. Good point OP, good point
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SandoVOL said:
if we can't develop the talent. It has plagued UT since early 2ks. We haven't had a solid QB since cut was here, Bray had a huge arm but couldn't even read his check downs. Players like Berry and Patterson are the only guys that have been able to shine for us because they were truly
Getting the players here is just half the battle of recruiting, developing is the other half. I'm not putting all my eggs in the recruiting basket even if it is the only basket left for the season. Discuss :)
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Go find something better to do with your time. Capice
 
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I wonder how Les Miles would look if he didn't have 5 stars and high 4 stars all over the field. Yet doesn't he have a 'ship?
 
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You can have a pretty decent offensive football team wasted if you don't have good QB play. Obviously that's a large oversimplification but unless you're purpose built around a dominant running game production against even a mediocre defense can be tough without some consistency from the guy pulling the trigger.
 
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For the years 2010, 2011 and 2012, Rivals ranked the recruiting classes at the University of Texas as #3, #3 and #2. They are not even in the Top 25 in any of the polls. In that same time frame, Missouri was ranked #21, #48 and #31. They are currently at #5 in the BCS.

Recruiting is simply one piece of a very big pie. It takes development and plain old X's and O's as well. I am not going to try to argue which is of the greatest of importance, it doesn't really matter that much. If you look around the NCAA, you'll see teams that achieve varying degrees of success in a variety of ways, but the elite programs DO IT ALL really well.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
For the years 2010, 2011 and 2012, Rivals ranked the recruiting classes at the University of Texas as #3, #3 and #2. They are not even in the Top 25 in any of the polls. In that same time frame, Missouri was ranked #21, #48 and #31. They are currently at #5 in the BCS.

Recruiting is simply one piece of a very big pie. It takes development and plain old X's and O's as well. I am not going to try to argue which is of the greatest of importance, it doesn't really matter that much. If you look around the NCAA, you'll see teams that achieve varying degrees of success in a variety of ways, but the elite programs DO IT ALL really well.
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This is all I'm saying. Missouri is obviously not the only example of what we would call over-achievers when looking at rosters.
 
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
One season of a different coaching staff is not going to change the 3 years of poor mental and physical coaching for the few 4* players we have left with 3* back ups.

My response was to the stupid statement below...if you don't want top 5 talent here then that is just flat out stupid. Having elite talent in the system you run only makes your team that more dangerous ex. Auburn/Malzahn.
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Where has anyone said we do not want top 5 talent :birgits_giggle: Try reading the OP again. This dates back further than the last 5 years
 
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Dont kid yourself, with Bray back, we are 7-4 and looking at a good bowl game. Good coaching would have done him wonders. Could you imagine if neal/lane had a passing game to help open up running lanes? Bray is better than anybody we have on the roster.
 
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appyvol said:
Dont kid yourself, with Bray back, we are 7-4 and looking at a good bowl game. Good coaching would have done him wonders. Could you imagine if neal/lane had a passing game to help open up running lanes? Bray is better than anybody we have on the roster.
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Maybe but I just can't picture Bray running the read option.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Maybe but I just can't picture Bray running the read option.
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I dont believe we would have ran the read option very much. The offense would look like it did with Worley at the helm, but Bray could make the throws that Worley just cant.
 
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SandoVOL said:
if we can't develop the talent. It has plagued UT since early 2ks. We haven't had a solid QB since cut was here, Bray had a huge arm but couldn't even read his check downs. Players like Berry and Patterson are the only guys that have been able to shine for us because they were truly special.

Getting the players here is just half the battle of recruiting, developing is the other half. I'm not putting all my eggs in the recruiting basket even if it is the only basket left for the season. Discuss :)
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Recruiting is Everything

Not the X's and O's it's the Jimmy and Joes. Player development, no off-field issues, good sound play calling decisions by the coaches are all important - but if you can't recruit or if you can't recruit both sides of the ball -- you are screwed in this conference. See Mushchamp - Fulmer - Belamer - Ogeron - etc. etc. if you want examples. Fulmer could still develop players - he just wasn't recruiting them. Also my apologies to the crappy Arkansas coach for misspelling his name. :)

Feel free to discuss amongst yourself.
 
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