Recruiting Rankings Matter

[Bearden79]

It would be difficult to compete year in and year out on a NIL basis.

However, we can spend less than we collect and invest the difference.

We could splurge every 8 years and make a serious run at the natty.

OR secretly build an unassailable dynasty:

For example, the future value of investing $3 million annually in the S&P 500 at an average annual return of 8% over 25 years would be approximately $219.32 million.

 

[NighthawkVol]

When you compare our 4-5 star ration to OSU, one will understand why we were run out of the stadium.. 15 5 stars to 1. That is significant. We did beat teams this year which had more talent than we did. Couldn't pull that off against OSU.

And yet, it doesn’t explain why Michigan has beat Ohio State 4 years in a row.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

And yet, it doesn’t explain why Michigan has beat Ohio State 4 years in a row.

Or that Manning never beat Florida or that Kentucky seldom beats Tennessee when they have had the superior team.

 

[landscapingvol]

Some of these is scheme. The routes are too long when the protection isn’t there.

If we run our routes based off of protection it would consist of different variations of screen passes and maybe a quick slant or two because Nico usually has about 1.5 seconds to decide

 

[85SugarVol]

Of course they matter. Been saying it for years while many on here insisted Clemson! (Which was always a flawed argument btw)

They matter. Always have. Always will.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Ever since 2011, every national champion has had blue chip ratio of 50%+, Tennessee has a ratio of 46%. But PLEASE keep arguing to me that rankings dont matter and these random ass 3 star ol or wr’s who’s next best offer is Western Kentucky will win us championships

We have improved every year. 16 out of the 25 players in the 2025 class are bluechips ranked in the Top300 composite. If we keep that up, we will be well over 50% and have a shot. We have pulled 2 freshman All Americans just last year from the portal as well in McCoy and Brazzell. Also ONLott who is gonna be a 1st day draft pick. We will get there, just takes time

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Oregon has had b2b top 5 classes. Those are their only two. Remains to be seen how long it will last but I would agree that they’re there to stay due to NIL.

Clemson had 2 top 5 classes (2020, 2021). Headliner of the 2020 class was DJU. #2 overall player.

Wow regarding Clemson. Those 2 classes should be fully matured for 2024. They went 9-4 and got blown out by UGA and Texas until they put the backups in. Next year should be the end of those 2 classes eligibility. Clemson is gonna really go downhill...their class this year was ranked like 15th right? And no portal help to fill holes? They should trend downward especially after next season and hang around ranked between 15 and 25 probably. Sadly, theyre in the ACC and never play anyone so they can always win the conference and make the playoffs that way. The ACC is 1-9 in bowlgames this year with 3 teams left to play. Lol. This is after the SEC just destroyed them in BB for the ACC/SEC challenge 14-2. That comference sucks.

 

[CAVPUT]

Top 10 is where we recruit. It’s really good. However, to truly compete for a championship you have to recruit top 5 if not top 3.

Your ratio of 4/5 stars has to be significantly higher than the 3 stars on your roster.

I'm not sure recruiting does matter anymore. You can lose any player at any time so a recruiting class and it's ranking is a myth. It's now the portal and contracts that rule the day. A ranking is really meaningless.

 

[Christian Lowe]

I'm not sure recruiting does matter anymore. You can lose any player at any time so a recruiting class and it's ranking is a myth. It's now the portal and contracts that rule the day. A ranking is really meaningless.

Talent composite is a better gauge, I agree. We’re 17th there.

 

[CAVPUT]

Talent composite is a better gauge, I agree. We’re 17th there.

I'm just going to be content with the guys that suit up and play hard from week to week. If that means 7 wins and no playoffs, so be it. No taste for renting hired guns. We aren't going to ever morph into an OSU or bama. I've accepted that a long time ago.

 

[Christian Lowe]

I'm just going to be content with the guys that suit up and play hard from week to week. If that means 7 wins and no playoffs, so be it. No taste for renting hired guns. We aren't going to ever morph into an OSU or bama. I've accepted that a long time ago.

If you told me any time from 2008-2018 we’d ever sniff Omaha in baseball, much less a title, I’d laugh my ass off and say I just wish we could make it to Hoover.

It’s possible, but football is a lot harder to do it in.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

And yet, it doesn’t explain why Michigan has beat Ohio State 4 years in a row.

Nor does it explain our loss to Arkansas. there are always outliers.

 

[LouderVol]

it's way too simplistic to argue that NIL spending, high school recruiting rankings, or overall talent levels are the only things to look at. Otherwise Jimbo Fisher would have won a title at TAMU. instead he never sniffed one.

Miami spent the most in the ACC and didn't even make the ACC's championship game.

Oklahoma spent more than us and has more talent and did far worse.

regardless of the talent you have to have the coaching to take advantage of it. Fulmer comes to mind, or even Butch Jones with the Dobbs/Kamara/Barnett team. assembling the team, whether its old fashioned high school recruiting with no portal, or NIL based portal shopping, is only half of the battle, and there are no guarantees.

even OSU in the portal brought in 9 guys, but only 3 of them started, and it seems like only 1 of the others had more than a dozen snaps this year. so its not like they brought in tons of guy and hit home runs with each and our coaches just need to get good with the portal.

The same OSU lost at home to Michigan who is much less talented. why did they lose? coaching. Jeremiah smith was playing that day, didn't matter, they got out coached.

 

[NighthawkVol]

it's way too simplistic to argue that NIL spending, high school recruiting rankings, or overall talent levels are the only things to look at. Otherwise Jimbo Fisher would have won a title at TAMU. instead he never sniffed one.

Miami spent the most in the ACC and didn't even make the ACC's championship game.

Oklahoma spent more than us and has more talent and did far worse.

regardless of the talent you have to have the coaching to take advantage of it. Fulmer comes to mind, or even Butch Jones with the Dobbs/Kamara/Barnett team. assembling the team, whether its old fashioned high school recruiting with no portal, or NIL based portal shopping, is only half of the battle, and there are no guarantees.

even OSU in the portal brought in 9 guys, but only 3 of them started, and it seems like only 1 of the others had more than a dozen snaps this year. so its not like they brought in tons of guy and hit home runs with each and our coaches just need to get good with the portal.

The same OSU lost at home to Michigan who is much less talented. why did they lose? coaching. Jeremiah smith was playing that day, didn't matter, they got out coached.

Overly simplistic is what people want. Recruiting rankings are not science. They are an indicator, but not absolute. Their importance has been reduced by the portal. We can look back 2 years ago at the top 10 ranked classes and see that a huge number of their 4* and 5* players have transferred, many if not most without making any impact.

The key is talent and fit. If you get guys who are talented and fit your system/culture, it doesn't matter how you get them. Maybe you signed them as a 5*. Maybe you signed them as a 3*. Maybe you got them from the portal.

People wanna argue the rankings thing all day. It's simpler to equate talented rosters with recruiting rankings. And yes, quite often, the most talented teams have resulted from the highest ranked classes. But there are more ways to skin that cat, especially now.

Then there's the coaching factor....