Recruiting

#51
#51
I just don't understand why it would be expected for this team to be Championship material in year one. Our team has fallen so far in the past years. If anyone can't see coaching improvement, I have to question ur eyesight. Now for those that are still dreaming of a Waltz type coach or Mulkey pipedream. It's over get on board, unless CH totally flops she is here for awhile and will be given every chance to succeed. Now if she doesn't just imagine how much moaning and groaning u will be able to do in her last year of her contract. If she is that bad we will see her demise a mile away. Bash away

We complained for 7 years when Holly was at the helm. How many of you think this team would have been any better under Holly? We asked for a change and we got that change. Holly had seven years and did little with 28 D1 players, yet some of us expect KJH to produce a miracle in less than a year. Give KJH a chance and quite passing judgement based on what she did at North Carolina State.
 
#52
#52
I have to ask, a poster stated Holly recruited very athletic players but with low basketball IQs please name one of her very athletic recruits who had a low basketball IQ

Where do we start?

Zaay, Jaz, and Burrell (they were freshmen... But Holly did not improve them)
KK
Cooper
Middleton
Hayes
Jones
Graves

Westbrook and Diamond had more talent than the coach utilized but I don't necessarily put them in the low iq category.
 
#54
#54
I have to ask, a poster stated Holly recruited very athletic players but with low basketball IQs please name one of her very athletic recruits who had a low basketball IQ
Instead of saying the players had a lo BBIQ, I would rather say they demonstrated a low BBIQ with the previous coach. BBIQ is usually developed by repeatedly being in high stress situations. Most D1 players were never in those situations in high school. The good ones just dominated with their athleticism and were never required to develop a BBIQ. Their coach has to have them in difficult, high stress situations in practice over and over again before a typical freshman develops the court awareness considered a BBIQ. To me that is the primary difference between the top tier programs. The coach can not be afraid to push the players beyond where they think they can go.
 
#56
#56
I have to ask, a poster stated Holly recruited very athletic players but with low basketball IQs please name one of her very athletic recruits who had a low basketball IQ

BBIQ is developed while teaching a player. Their IQ is added to when they take those teachings to their next situation.
The desire to enhance their own IQ's are in direct proportion to how they are handled when they are learning the game.

My business mentor used to say "Monkey see, monkey do,,monkey don't know why...Humans need to know why"
He would teach me something and then follow it with why he taught me that system of approach.

I followed this in basketball...I didn't just yell at my girls to rebound!,,,I told them when to set up for the rebound,,how to use their upper-peripheral vision to track the ball as it went overhead,,how to boxout with a wide stance, to boxout with arms locked back to create a fence,,when to release the boxout and go for the careened ball,,How to put their butt into the thighs of their boxout and to go up and get the rebound and not to wait on it to come down to them,,to keep the ball high and immediately either go back up for an O-reb or to keep it high and pivot and pass to an outlet on a def-reb.
My players Knew how, when, why and what to do once they had the ball.

If they are taught in such a way, they never lose their thirst for learning and their desire to continue to grow their BBIQ doesn't stop
 
#57
#57
Instead of saying the players had a lo BBIQ, I would rather say they demonstrated a low BBIQ with the previous coach. BBIQ is usually developed by repeatedly being in high stress situations. Most D1 players were never in those situations in high school. The good ones just dominated with their athleticism and were never required to develop a BBIQ. Their coach has to have them in difficult, high stress situations in practice over and over again before a typical freshman develops the court awareness considered a BBIQ. To me that is the primary difference between the top tier programs. The coach can not be afraid to push the players beyond where they think they can go.

They will only learn in high-pressure situation if they have a good learning-base to begin with and are at the point where this prompts advanced learning.
If this method truly worked,,,,we would still throw kids in the water and say "swim or drown" and NO coaches would be using timeouts to stop runs or momentum
 
#59
#59
The secret is to get two great players and then surround them with good role players. That's how Dawn and Geno built the programs. Tennessee is one player away from being at that level. They have some very good role types, they just need another player to mesh with Davis. If I went by last nights game I would say UCONN and Tennessee were terrible shooting teams....but it was just one of those nights with a lot of adrenaline behind every move....both are better than they played.

I agree in part.
You will rarely have all five on the same page, so you look for combinations that are proven to base your rotations on
Michael-Scottie-Horace plug in Rodman and Kukoch
Magic-Kareem-J Worthy plug in Cooper and AC Green
Shaq-Kobe plug in Ron harper, Geln Rice and AC Green
 
#60
#60
We complained for 7 years when Holly was at the helm. How many of you think this team would have been any better under Holly? We asked for a change and we got that change. Holly had seven years and did little with 28 D1 players, yet some of us expect KJH to produce a miracle in less than a year. Give KJH a chance and quite passing judgement based on what she did at North Carolina State.
I find it difficult to put Holly's coaching anywhere near what I have seen for Harper's coaching. For the first time in 6-7 years , I have seen a coach who has taken charge of her team ant taught the principles of he game. There are a couple of areas wher improvements need to be made,such as team strength and conditioning and controlling turn overs. I also realize that when you play an uptempo game, you will have more turn overs. Harper's success will depend on how well she can recruit elite basketball players. I think that the improvement of the team this year will open the recruiting door in the future. Off season teaching and conditing will result in a better tam next year. We just need to recruit, recruit, and recruit.
 
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#61
#61
Elite point guard needed in the class of 2021 to learn under Jasmine. I hope we get to a point of not having to start freshmen especially at the point guard position.

Jada Walker 5-7 pg New Hope Academy Landover Hills MD if you have not seen her play then you should. Not sure if KJH has offer her ?
 
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#62
#62
I find it difficult to put Holly's coaching anywhere near what I have seen for Harper's coaching For the first time in 6-7 yrars , I have seen a coach who has taken charge of her team ant taught the principles of he game. There are a couple of areas wher improvements need to be made,such as team strength and conditioning and controlling turn overs. I also realize that when you play an uptempo game, you will have more turn overs. Harper's success will depend on how well she can recruit elite basketball players. I think that the improvement of the team this year will open the recruiting door in the future. Off season teaching and conditing will result in a better tam next year. We just need to recruit, recruit, and recruit.
I'm sure some want agree but Holly had a lot more to work with as far as players and experience than Kellie has this season. Westbrook, Green, Collins, and Jackson with two of those players being upper classmen and one a sophomore should've been more help than a freshman center and point guard that are doing so much of the work this season.
 
#63
#63
I find it difficult to put Holly's coaching anywhere near what I have seen for Harper's coaching For the first time in 6-7 yrars , I have seen a coach who has taken charge of her team ant taught the principles of he game. There are a couple of areas wher improvements need to be made,such as team strength and conditioning and controlling turn overs. I also realize that when you play an uptempo game, you will have more turn overs. Harper's success will depend on how well she can recruit elite basketball players. I think that the improvement of the team this year will open the recruiting door in the future. Off season teaching and conditing will result in a better tam next year. We just need to recruit, recruit, and recruit.
You hit the nail on the head, we just need to be patient.
 
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#64
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Shoronna Reaves was one of the best LV recruiters in all of womens basketball with two great classes; yet she was not even considered to be a part of this coaching staff. The results are there, the LV did not get any of the top players with Reaves gone.

What new D1 head basketball coach ever keeps staff from the previous failed administration? Especially one that is taking over following an historic downward spiral so complete that many feared it could take YEARS, if EVER, to regain national respect?

The previous staff — ALL OF THEM — bore blame to different degrees for not being capable of turning those excellent recruiting classes into winning college basketball players.

The previous staff — ALL OF THEM — failed as the adults in charge to do enough to have the backs of the players who needed them to have a plan, to take responsibility, and to make sure they were all performing well on the court AND in the classroom. There was a failure to maintain the standard in several areas, and ALL of the staff was at least partially responsible for a situation that careened out of control.

The program needed a completely FRESH START, without the risk of any possible fear by players or their families (or fans) that a “holdover” of anyone from the previous staff might send a signal that we are not moving fully forward. Even if Sharonna Reaves is the best recruiter ever to be born, she had to go. The players who stayed needed a fresh energy with new people who didn’t remind them of last year.
 
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#65
#65
They will only learn in high-pressure situation if they have a good learning-base to begin with and are at the point where this prompts advanced learning.
If this method truly worked,,,,we would still throw kids in the water and say "swim or drown" and NO coaches would be using timeouts to stop runs or momentum
You really have a game only focus when you read my post. Games are usually not places for development. Timeouts in games are for reminding what has been taught and having the players use what they learned in practice and ingame strategy changes. Coaches Coach/teach in practice. Time outs during games is not what I am talking about. At UConn, the team for years has registered a string of 30 point blowouts. There is little stress in those games. But, Geno's team rarely wins in scrimmages because of the situations he puts them in situations where they have to overcome. First he uses men to scrimmage against who are better players than his team. He puts the players in situations of high difficulty like making them play 5 against 7. Little time at UConn is devoted to skill drills, which you seem to stress in your posts. this is what I am referring to when I say coaches must put their players under high stress over and over again to develop a BBIQ.
 
#67
#67
I guarantee uconn does a tremendous amount of skill development.
They certainly do, but perhaps not in the conventional sense.

They also exceed the number of “basketball related activities” hours the NCAA legally allows in order to achieve ongoing success.
 
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They also exceed the number of “basketball related activities” hours the NCAA legally allows in order to achieve ongoing success.

No doubt about that! It's probably on the lower end of things they cheat on.
 
#69
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What new D1 head basketball coach ever keeps staff from the previous failed administration? Especially one that is taking over following an historic downward spiral so complete that many feared it could take YEARS, if EVER, to regain national respect?

The previous staff — ALL OF THEM — bore blame to different degrees for not being capable of turning those excellent recruiting classes into winning college basketball players.

The previous staff — ALL OF THEM — failed as the adults in charge to do enough to have the backs of the players who needed them to have a plan, to take responsibility, and to make sure they were all performing well on the court AND in the classroom. There was a failure to maintain the standard in several areas, and ALL of the staff was at least partially responsible for a situation that careened out of control.

The program needed a completely FRESH START, without the risk of any possible fear by players or their families (or fans) that a “holdover” of anyone from the previous staff might send a signal that we are not moving fully forward. Even if Sharonna Reaves is the best recruiter ever to be born, she had to go. The players who stayed needed a fresh energy with new people who didn’t remind them of last year.

Sadly many, including me, stated years ago this was the inevitable outcome with Warlick and was mocked, laughed at, ridiculed, scolded, and etc. Those people now look like fools because the program is at a low tide.

How scary is it when people apply that same logic to country?
 
#72
#72
So obviously we can't recruit with S. Carolina, Uconn, MState.. but how does Syracuse land a top 5 recruit who is from our state, then we only have one top 100 player signed. Ole Miss has more top 100 than us and we beat them by a huge margin.
I would also say that just because a recruit is 5 or 4 stars doesn't mean she will be successful in college. Most 5 and 4 stars have little real competition in high school, so when they get to college, there's a huge learning curve, including how physical the game is compared to high school. I would take a coachable 3 star over a 4 or 5 star that doesn't want to improve her play and conditioning.
 
#73
#73
If CKH can't recruit at a HIGH level (minimum Top 10), there is really no sense to continue the program. Seriously... may as well shovel dirt on it. Women's bball is MUCH more dependent on talent than coaching. Why? Because there are very few ladies that can play bball at an extremely high level (ie Parker, Taurasi, etc). It's gotten better over the last 20-25 years, but still not enough to even the field. The teams that recruit the best, win the most. The ONE stand out exception was HCW!!! We were unlucky enough to hire a legacy that was way over her head from the get-go.
I really don't see any evidence that Harper is in over her head. She's been at UT one minute. But in that minute, our players and team have made tremendous improvement. In a presser, Davis said, "When we listen to Kellie and do what she wants us to do, we're a lot better than when we try to do stuff on our own." So, the onus to improve is not only on the coach. If players don't follow the coaches instructions and/or don't execute, well, failure unless they learn from it. A team needs one unselfish high level player who understands playing as part of a team. The other players obviously need to be good, but they don't have to be Holdsclaw or Parker.
 
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#74
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You really have a game only focus when you read my post. Games are usually not places for development. Timeouts in games are for reminding what has been taught and having the players use what they learned in practice and ingame strategy changes. Coaches Coach/teach in practice. Time outs during games is not what I am talking about. At UConn, the team for years has registered a string of 30 point blowouts. There is little stress in those games. But, Geno's team rarely wins in scrimmages because of the situations he puts them in situations where they have to overcome. First he uses men to scrimmage against who are better players than his team. He puts the players in situations of high difficulty like making them play 5 against 7. Little time at UConn is devoted to skill drills, which you seem to stress in your posts. this is what I am referring to when I say coaches must put their players under high stress over and over again to develop a BBIQ.
Not entirely. Fundamentals are necessary. I would also say that under Summitt, the best teacher in sports, period, the schedule was deliberately difficult in order to prepare the team for the SEC and NCAA tournaments. Harper didn't schedule this season and has stated that she prefers a tougher pre-conference schedule like Summitt did. Summitt pushed players in conditioning and fundamentals, and the result was championships.
 
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