Recruits are believing what Butch Jones is selling

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VolFan4Life87 said:
And yet Bama still has the #1 class, and has for idk 4 years in a row?

I think you're wrong friend, at least on this point.^^ Recruiting should only rise as we win more, as recruits obviously like Jones & the staff and will be naturally attracted to a winning environment that preps players for the NFL (see Bama).
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CBJ gonna break that satan spell.
 
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Rudy123 said:
In a 9 or 11 win season, recruiting will likely be down. Right now, we have the advantage of selling " Early Playing Time" In later years, we will not be able to sell the idea of "Early Playing Time"

We will at some point, be like " O'Bama" and have 5* as a starter and a 4* as the back up and no possibility of early playing time to offer an Freshmen or any JUCO's.
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am i mistaken or is bamas class #1 right nah?
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
If we're recruiting at this level and we've been in total suckdom for 4 years, it's exciting to imagine the recruits we'll bring in when we're a perennial 9-11 win team.
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Absolutely. But there is no treading water. He has to start winning. If he doesn't then recruits will stop believing in the "vision" he's selling. If he does then it will be even easier to sell.

I KNOW it isn't fair to expect but winning more than expected (which is probably around 6 games) this fall would be HUGE for Jones. He didn't win at or above expectations this past season but is still able to sell a "vision" since it was only year one. That's a pass he'll never get again.

I'll put it this way. He's the best recruiter in college football with no close comparison if he can repeat a 5-7 record this fall and recruit this kind of class again next year. Six wins and it will still be tough. Seven or 8 wins... he'll have something REAL to sell.
 
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Rudy123 said:
In a 9 or 11 win season, recruiting will likely be down. Right now, we have the advantage of selling " Early Playing Time" In later years, we will not be able to sell the idea of "Early Playing Time"

We will at some point, be like " O'Bama" and have 5* as a starter and a 4* as the back up and no possibility of early playing time to offer an Freshmen or any JUCO's.
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Most recruits respond to 3 things. One is early playing time- you are right. But the other two are being coached into the NFL and WINNING. Recruiting 4/5* players to be back ups to guys headed to the NFL (maybe as Jrs) while winning conference and national championships... works. That's why Bama, LSU, and USC were able to do it.

The other factor that plays in is homerism. There are kids who want to play for Texas for instance and do not care whether they win or lose or who the coach is. To a lesser extent you see that with UGA, UF, OSU, and a few others.
 
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sjt18 said:
The other factor that plays in is homerism. There are kids who want to play for Texas for instance and do not care whether they win or lose or who the coach is. To a lesser extent you see that with UGA, UF, OSU, and a few others.
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Major difference here though is the fact Florida and Texas have so many teams to choose from as well as so many recruits. Sure they might have grown up being a Horns fan, but if they are only rated as a 3 star, what's the chances they get offered? Johnny Manziel is a prime example off that. He wanted to go to Texas, but ended up at A&M. So sometimes it's a take what you can get.
 
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1 of the key factors of a head coach is recruiting. We have a special coach in the making. We are getting special players as a byproduct of a coach that can motivate and sell bricks.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Major difference here though is the fact Florida and Texas have so many teams to choose from as well as so many recruits. Sure they might have grown up being a Horns fan, but if they are only rated as a 3 star, what's the chances they get offered? Johnny Manziel is a prime example off that. He wanted to go to Texas, but ended up at A&M. So sometimes it's a take what you can get.
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Miami and FSU get their share but UF is still a big draw for FL kids. Them losing while FSU and Miami improve will move that some though.

Texas historically picks who they want with OU getting some and everyone else arguing over scraps. TAM's move to the SEC has helped them but Texas remains the dominant force in recruiting there.

That's not to say that Texas is always right. They miss plenty and Brown got worse over time. The recruiting web sites give more love to Texas commits since they assume Texas gets the pick of the litter and knows talent. Not always true.
 
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MarkVols said:
1 of the key factors of a head coach is recruiting. We have a special coach in the making. We are getting special players as a byproduct of a coach that can motivate and sell bricks.
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That works when the track record is short, excitement is high, and you can still sell a vision. Winning is the only way to sustain it. Eventually promises of better days are trumped by results if you continue to lose.
 
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sjt18 said:
Miami and FSU get their share but UF is still a big draw for FL kids. Them losing while FSU and Miami improve will move that some though.

Texas historically picks who they want with OU getting some and everyone else arguing over scraps. TAM's move to the SEC has helped them but Texas remains the dominant force in recruiting there.

That's not to say that Texas is always right. They miss plenty and Brown got worse over time. The recruiting web sites give more love to Texas commits since they assume Texas gets the pick of the litter and knows talent. Not always true.
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Not discounting UCF these days either. And USF is even pulling in some decent recruits. Of course the State has a lot to go around, so pulling a bunch of 3 star commitments isn't great, but better than the past when they might go out of State as opposed to going to UCF, USF, FIU, etc.

Texas is a whole other animal though. OU and OSU actively recruit there, but the "other" teams from Texas have been making great inroads in the past few years. It's no longer the case that Tech, TCU, Baylor, etc get the leftovers from what Texas doesn't want. The programs have pushed up enough in their own right to pull some five stars that would traditionally pick UTjr first.

Having said all that, this is about Tennessee. And the fact we don't have programs in this State other than Vanderbilt that have the historical greatness for lack of a better term means we are not unlike Texas in which we should be getting the pick of the litter and letting others go their own way.
 
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kiffen couldn't come close to recruiting this well...even with comfort girls! (one of them was even named the closer)

CDD couldn't recruit this well with a National Champion Coach for a daddy.
 
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Volador said:
My guesstimate for our recruiting bonanza is 70% CBJ & staff and 30% that we have immediate job openings in multiple positions.
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Yeah who wants to ride pine for three years behind an uptight 4'3" midget in a dumpy old town like tuska loser?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Not discounting UCF these days either. And USF is even pulling in some decent recruits. Of course the State has a lot to go around, so pulling a bunch of 3 star commitments isn't great, but better than the past when they might go out of State as opposed to going to UCF, USF, FIU, etc.

Texas is a whole other animal though. OU and OSU actively recruit there, but the "other" teams from Texas have been making great inroads in the past few years. It's no longer the case that Tech, TCU, Baylor, etc get the leftovers from what Texas doesn't want. The programs have pushed up enough in their own right to pull some five stars that would traditionally pick UTjr first.

Having said all that, this is about Tennessee. And the fact we don't have programs in this State other than Vanderbilt that have the historical greatness for lack of a better term means we are not unlike Texas in which we should be getting the pick of the litter and letting others go their own way.
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Strong came in thinking he owned the state and Sumlin has already beootch slapped him three or four times on recruits...including Texas commits.
 
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Rudy123 said:
In a 9 or 11 win season, recruiting will likely be down. Right now, we have the advantage of selling " Early Playing Time" In later years, we will not be able to sell the idea of "Early Playing Time"

We will at some point, be like " O'Bama" and have 5* as a starter and a 4* as the back up and no possibility of early playing time to offer an Freshmen or
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sjt18 said:
Absolutely. But there is no treading water. He has to start winning. If he doesn't then recruits will stop believing in the "vision" he's selling. If he does then it will be even easier to sell.

I KNOW it isn't fair to expect but winning more than expected (which is probably around 6 games) this fall would be HUGE for Jones. He didn't win at or above expectations this past season but is still able to sell a "vision" since it was only year one. That's a pass he'll never get again.

I'll put it this way. He's the best recruiter in college football with no close comparison if he can repeat a 5-7 record this fall and recruit this kind of class again next year. Six wins and it will still be tough. Seven or 8 wins... he'll have something REAL to sell.
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I'm thinking 6 wins,hopefully,what i want to see while they win 6 games,hopefully more but it could go the other way,is to play some tough nosed hard fought games all year,weather they win or lose,I think that will impact next years class the most
 
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It’s worth noting elite recruiting classes aren’t guaranteed to turn into on-field success. But with Tennessee, Ole Miss and even Kentucky putting together highly-ranked recruiting classes and Mizzou winning a dozen games last season, the SEC is getting awfully strong beneath its upper echelon.


Sure will be glad when were considered to be among the upper echelon again. I think we get there with CBJ.
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
kiffen couldn't come close to recruiting this well...even with comfort girls! (one of them was even named the closer)

CDD couldn't recruit this well with a National Champion Coach for a daddy.
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Kiffin got himself some good recruits his one year and we all have an idea of how he did. Just hoping CBJ is keeping tabs on how his crew is getting stuff done.

As for Dooley...i'm sure CBJ is benefiting from the ability to walk kids and parents around one of the best facilities in the country instead of selling a blue print of it.

Also, the freedom of being able to go after 30+ signees instead of #s lowered by penalties is huge. Less stressing over how to set up ur recruiting board etc.

Funny how people don't like to compare CBJ to dooley if it makes CBJ look bad but it get likes out the wazoo if it's the opposite.
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