Refs took away our chance to win.

#76
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G8R8U2 said:
Which is exactly what Gator fans were screaming about in the first half.

UT came out and punched us in the mouth and made the statement they would be playing a physical brand of basketball today.

At the half Billy made adjustments, and UF decided what's good for the goose is good for the gander; and started playing the same brand of ball that UT had gotten away with for an entire half.

Result? 16 fouls on UF and 18 fouls on UT, and 3 of those UT fouls were in the last 1:20 when UT was fouling on purpose to try and extend the game.

In the game thread I couldn't believe Vols were complaining about the refs; they were getting away with everything. Look at any of the game threads on a UF site, and it looks exactly like the one over here, but with the Gator fans getting indignant about the poor officiating,
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Sorry, but Stokes gets hacked all game long, and it wasn't just this one. The problem is consistency, and UF was checking all game up top. The foul on Maymon was flat out laughable. Just horrible, and I am not surprised. If the SEC thinks they truly have the best overall sports product, they need to clean up their officiating.
 
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pat adams with like 5 techs in two nights so far. dude is a joke IMO


have a hard time believing UF only fouled us 6 times in the second half.
 
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1985Vols said:
Actually went almost 10 minutes without a FG. Hard to believe we still had a chance, until the technical and flagrant foul. That was a six point turnaround which was the difference in the game. Pat Adams should not be a Div. I referee.
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We still had a chance b/c FL wasn't hitting baskets either. They got 4 made free throws from the two Maymon fouls, made a basket for 2 to give them 51, then shot free throws the rest of the way. The 4th foul on Maymon was a VERY bad call, but then in the heat of the moment, he objected to an egotistical (Final Four type) jackazz who teed him up. Game changer. Then another Vol (unnamed) made a bad mistake grabbing gator around the waist=flagrant foul, 2 more free FL points and gators keep ball. Game ender if Vols don't score. They didn't.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I was kidding when I said he said "whatever" I have no idea what he said.
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In his post game interview Coach Martin said he was watching Maymon's lips closely and that he was sure Maymon used no curse words or said anything derogatory to the "ref", but he guessed Maymon was teed up b/c of his suggestive body language toward said "official." Cuonzo said the refs gave him no explanation for the technical at all. He should have demanded one IMO. Can you imagine this happening to a KY or FL player and Califari or Dumovan not high-tailing it to straight to the official?
 
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Vols4us said:
We played 40 minutes on D. We played 20 minutes on O. The officials did influence the outcome the way they wanted apparently. Would not have mattered if we played 40 minutes of O. Would have won the game regardless of the officiating. Maymon's technical should not have happened. Zo should have been teed up on his behalf when he was undercut with no foul called before this situation happened. Maymon was then fouled again by Young, clearly, and was called for the foul himself and then the T.

The problem is and continues to be Zo's game management, or lack thereof. He did not adjust the O at halftime, knowing UF would make D adjustments. UF made their adjustments. Zo then let the officials and lack of adjustments determine the game. Reese made some good plays and boards in the first half including a 3, then sits the second half. Same old same old.
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In addition, what happens to cause us to abandon the zone and go man toward the end? It sure wasn't gator shooting--their so-called great point guard didn't make a 2nd half basket. Bert Bertelcamp commented on that on the radio.
 
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TNslammabama said:
In addition, what happens to cause us to abandon the zone and go man toward the end? It sure wasn't gator shooting--their so-called great point guard didn't make a 2nd half basket. Bert Bertelcamp commented on that on the radio.
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Well if Bert said it.... Haha

JK
 
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Lefteye said:
Well if Bert said it.... Haha

JK
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Bert was on the UT team that last won the SEC tournament back in the dark ages and he isn't the color guy because he's not knowledgable, but I'm sure you know better. We had FL stopped (and 5 previous teams) with the 2-3 zone;
so we go man to man at the most crucial time of the game. Very puzzling if you actually saw the game.
 
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TNslammabama said:
Bert was on the UT team that last won the SEC tournament back in the dark ages and he isn't the color guy because he's not knowledgable, but I'm sure you know better. We had FL stopped (and 5 previous teams) with the 2-3 zone;
so we go man to man at the most crucial time of the game. Very puzzling if you actually saw the game.
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My apologies if I offended you. But despite his experience I will judge and or criticize based on my own perception. And my original comment was not knockin Bert but more amused at the conclusion made by a comment made by Bert
 
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TNslammabama said:
Bert was on the UT team that last won the SEC tournament back in the dark ages and he isn't the color guy because he's not knowledgable, but I'm sure you know better. We had FL stopped (and 5 previous teams) with the 2-3 zone;
so we go man to man at the most crucial time of the game. Very puzzling if you actually saw the game.
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We didn't play a minute of 2-3 zone
 
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Haven't read much of this thread, so sorry if already discussed, but I agree that the refs played a part in deciding the game. I thought they were mugging Stokes almost every time he touched it. For those saying that we were out adjusted at halftime, I disagree. I thought florida got really aggressive and were just getting away with murder over and over again. How the heck did they only have 6 fouls called on them in the 2nd half? The maymon T was laughable, the ref was the one out of control. That little ref reminded me of an overly controlling, jack-ass cop.
 
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Purplehaze26 said:
Its on Maymon with that call. A senior in that game and that situation should keep his cool. He let the whole team down.

As a whole, it was a well played game. PG play hurt us bad.
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No it's on the ref to be the adult and not get his feelings hurt when a man 20+ years younger than him is simply trying to explain what he did. The SEC wanted their #1 team vs Kentucky match-up, and it showed with the 2nd half officiating.
 
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Lefteye said:
My apologies if I offended you. But despite his experience I will judge and or criticize based on my own perception. And that is no knock on Bert more my sense of humor.
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Apology accepted, but sadly, your sense of humor is almost as weak as ole Cuonzo's game management, or lack thereof, which was the message I was replying to confirm.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Martin said post game that he asked the ref and the ref couldne give him a real explanation. Martin said Maymon was facing him and he heard every word, there wasn't a single curse word. Said Maymon questioned the call and said young was doing the same thing on the other end.

What I think got him was he's all alone at half court, all eyes on him, and the ref didn't like how Maymon tried to "show him up" with everyone watching.
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Sometimes I think officials get on a power kick....like a bad cop that wants to enforce his authority and blow something out of proportion just because he can.

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BTW....at that moment I would've loved to see that bum zebra swallow his damn whistle....I'm just saying :dunno:
 
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TNslammabama said:
Apology accepted, but sadly, your sense of humor is almost as weak as ole Cuonzo's game management, or lack thereof, which was the message I was replying to confirm.
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Bad sense of humor then
But as much as I respect Bert for his contributions, taking a stance based on one of his comments is just ignorant. Imo
 
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tennrich1 said:
I thought the game was played really hard on both sides .,,,,a great game. Obviously that call hurt us but that's not what beat us..,, our point guard play is absolutely atrocious. Antonio Barton has really hurt this team this year except for a couple of games.., and today I know there were three times when he tried to take it in on a drive and just turned it over.... And of course Florida's point guard play is the best in the country..,. Great game wish we could've won but we played hard...
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Spot on. The tech hurt but it didn't cost us the game. We went like 9 minutes without a fg at one point in the 2nd half. We led by 10 with 3 seconds left in the 1st half. From that point on Florida pretty much dominated play, dictated pace and controlled the game with a 28-14 run. We scored 14 pts in the 2nd half with 11-12 turnovers ..... that's why we lost
 
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1974Vol said:
On the whole they did a pretty good job. The only REALLY bad call was the T on Maymon. That was a game changer. I don't know what he said but given that he was walking away and emotions were really high you got to swallow the whistle and play on.
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no...Maymon has too keep his fricking mouth shut and not get the T. Yes the foul was BS, but his "non-senior" moment buried the game for UT today.
 
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1974Vol said:
On the whole they did a pretty good job. The only REALLY bad call was the T on Maymon. That was a game changer. I don't know what he said but given that he was walking away and emotions were really high you got to swallow the whistle and play on.
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Conzo should have seen that conversation and backed up his player so Maymon didn't have to. Conzo is weak and needs to bend the refs ears, worked for biilly.
 
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Manvol said:
Conzo should have seen that conversation and backed up his player so Maymon didn't have to. Conzo is weak and needs to bend the refs ears, worked for biilly.
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I agree with this. Martin should have been the one getting the T there, not Maymon. Cuonzo should have been jumping up and down on the center court logo protesting the BS call on a bump when both teams had been allowed to play rough the entire game. Oh well.
 
#99
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Larkin said:
I agree with this. Martin should have been the one getting the T there, not Maymon. Cuonzo should have been jumping up and down on the center court logo protesting the BS call on a bump when both teams had been allowed to play rough the entire game. Oh well.
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Why? So that they're could be 50 more threads about what an idiot he is for getting T'd up at that point of the game?

I'm sure he didn't think Maymon was gonna get a T, if he thought he was he likely would've tried to prevent it. Whether it was Maymon, Martin, bertelkamp or kesling that got the T, it wasn't a good idea at that point.
 
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Larkin said:
no...Maymon has too keep his fricking mouth shut and not get the T. Yes the foul was BS, but his "non-senior" moment buried the game for UT today.
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Like I said previously, I don't ever remember Maymon doing that. So it tells you it was built up frustration from inconsistent officiating. It wasn't just that one call. You have no idea what he said anyway. From all accounts, he didn't use bad language. He probably said it was a terrible call. I have done that plenty as a player and never been given a tech. Ridiculous.
 
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