Religious debate (split from main board)

#76
#76
volfanjustin said:
It is a waste of time trying to have a conversation with a couple of posters on here about religion. They are so anti-Christianity there is no hope. You are correct they will just contradict anything you say.
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Are you not anti-anti-Christianity?

I tend to be on your side, but I've said about 4000 times that using scripture to validate scripture is senseless to those who don't buy it. Telling someoe that they have to feel it to understand is even worse. Find a new tack.
 
#77
#77
volfanjustin said:
I believe that he allows bad things to happen for 2 reasons. To test us to see how strong our faith is, to see if we really believe or are we just believers when everything is going great. And when bad things happen it usually brings people closer to God for strength and comfort. Like when a disaster happens people go on tv and ask for people to pray for them and their families.
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But why the need to "test" our faith, especially at what cost? And I'm not just talking about everyday occurances like car wrecks and what not. What about wars, famine, disease...how many people starve to death every day on this planet....how many people die of cancer.....how much is lost in blood and treasure to conflicts....he really needs all that death and destruction to test faith and bring people closer to him? He does have the power to stop all of these...no?

All due respect, that isn't much of an answer. I'm just questioning the benevolance of a God that requires such suffering.
 
#78
#78
BigPapaVol said:
Are you not anti-anti-Christianity?
I tend to be on your side, but I've said about 4000 times that using scripture to validate scripture is senseless to those who don't buy it. Telling someoe that they have to feel it to understand is even worse. Find a new tack.
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Not at all, I think someone that does not believe is wrong but I don't hold that against them. That person has that right and the option to choose to be or not to be.
 
#79
#79
vollygirl said:
How did I turn it personal?
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You seemed to take it personal. Maybe I was mistaken, but that is what I thought when you said it didn't matter because Droski was going to believe what he wanted about you anyway.

Maybe Droski will believe what he wants anyway about what you believe, but it has nothing to do with you personally.
 
#80
#80
volfanjustin said:
Not at all, I think someone that does not believe is wrong but I don't hold that against them. That person has that right and the option to choose to be or not to be.
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This is much the way I feel about what you believe...and likewise, that doesn't make me "anti-Christianity" as you have pointed out.
 
#81
#81
rjd970 said:
But why the need to "test" our faith, especially at what cost? And I'm not just talking about everyday occurances like car wrecks and what not. What about wars, famine, disease...how many people starve to death every day on this planet....how many people die of cancer.....how much is lost in blood and treasure to conflicts....he really needs all that death and destruction to test faith and bring people closer to him? He does have the power to stop all of these...no?

All due respect, that isn't much of an answer. I'm just questioning the benevolance of a God that requires such suffering.
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Bad stuff has to happen, how many people would believe in God if everything was always great? No war or nothing ever happened that tested us.
 
#82
#82
volfanjustin said:
Bad stuff has to happen, how many people would believe in God if everything was always great? No war or nothing ever happened that tested us.
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and many of us can't wrap our minds around the fact that someone must truly suffer (sometimes unimaginably) to know god's love. Blind faith is the only thing that keeps it from being completely ludicrous.
 
#83
#83
rjd970 said:
Why the need to turn it personal? Droski makes a good point that I haven't seen an answer to yet. If all your blessings come from God, then all the bad things do as well, because God has the power to stop them.

I read a story about a guy from New Orleans who gave credit to God for his life being spared during Katrina. Do you think he even realizes that by saying that he is implicitely saying God didn't spare all the children and ederly that did die? To me, all this talk about being spared, blessings one receives, etc...is unrealized narcissim because people don't want to explore the corollary (or don't understand it) to the logic used to come to your conclusion.

If God has a plan for all of us, and does things without concern for us understanding, then all the faith, praying, and worship is just a big waste of time. He will do what he wants and pull what strings he sees fit anyway.
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1.) IMO, if no bad things are happening to you, I would examine your christian walk cause Satan is not worried about you.

2.) The Book of James is the best book of the Bible in terms of overall christian living and why we are here.

I am a huge fan of the Book of James.

:hi:
 
#84
#84
rjd970 said:
But why the need to "test" our faith, especially at what cost? And I'm not just talking about everyday occurances like car wrecks and what not. What about wars, famine, disease...how many people starve to death every day on this planet....how many people die of cancer.....how much is lost in blood and treasure to conflicts....he really needs all that death and destruction to test faith and bring people closer to him? He does have the power to stop all of these...no?

All due respect, that isn't much of an answer. I'm just questioning the benevolance of a God that requires such suffering.
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The Book of James......

Beautiful book!
 
#85
#85
utvolpj said:
and many of us can't wrap our minds around the fact that someone must truly suffer (sometimes unimaginably) to know god's love. Blind faith is the only thing that keeps it from being completely ludicrous.
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Fine then, don't answer my pm!

:the_finger:
 
#88
#88
I am almost to the point where I am with you.

Although, I view the nonsense as how people interpret the Bible.
 
#90
#90
OrangeEmpire said:
1.) IMO, if no bad things are happening to you, I would examine your christian walk cause Satan is not worried about you.

2.) The Book of James is the best book of the Bible in terms of overall christian living and why we are here.

I am a huge fan of the Book of James.

:hi:
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"Life...according to Jim" :good!:
 
#92
#92
droski said:
i had some horrible crap happen to me and did i learn from it? sure. would i have been better off if it didn't happen at all? absolutely. this is just another way of saying anything good that happens is because of god and anything bad that happens isn't his fault. i.e. you are attributing what you learned because of god, but not attributing the bad crap that happened in the first place to god.
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I have said it here many times, I attribute everything, good and bad, to God. Anyone that only gives God credit for the good is a fool. The bad is what makes me better and stronger in my faith.
 
#95
#95
T-TownVol said:
I might as well jump in here with both feet.

Prayer does not help/work unless you have a relationship with God. That is not me saying that. It is the word of God.
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but if god still allows bad things to happen then why does praying for something help?
 
#97
#97
droski said:
but if god still allows bad things to happen then why does praying for something help?
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God tells us to ask for anything. God also tells us that he will not answer every prayer and the ones he does answer are in his own time. My prayer life is not an "I want or I need" session. It is a praise, thanks and help me grow closer to him session. (well, there are a few prayers for some of you guys also)
 
#100
#100
OrangeEmpire said:
Prayer is the relationship side with God. I was never taught this aspect of christianity.

I grew up in a, shall we say, legalistic church.
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I was 35 years old before I realized that prayers are still heard if you do not use King James speek.
 
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