Religious debate (split from main board)

#576
#576
BeecherVol said:
You would think at some point,(past or future), evolution would fix this flaw. If it really is a flaw.
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Unless it keeps us from passing on our genes, natural selection won't do a damned thing about it. And, even if it did lead to some reproductive issues, it could only do something about it within the genetic toolbox it currently has. It may be that the birth canal can't increase further. It may be that losing brain size would be worse for survival. It may be that being born any earlier (as we know to be the case) would be problematic for survival.
 
#578
#578
turambar85 said:
Unless it keeps us from passing on our genes, natural selection won't do a damned thing about it. And, even if it did lead to some reproductive issues, it could only do something about it within the genetic toolbox it currently has. It may be that the birth canal can't increase further. It may be that losing brain size would be worse for survival. It may be that being born any earlier (as we know to be the case) would be problematic for survival.
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Sounds like to me, it wasn't a problem to begin with.
 
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#580
#580
IPorange said:
Buddhism is older than Christianity. There are several religions and concepts that are most unChristian that are far older and even more widespread than Christianity. I mean, how many superstitions have been kicking around the globe for thousands of years?
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Christianity by the NT name, yes.

Noah was not called a christian, but he believed in the same God, that Paul did in the NT.
 
#583
#583
Off topic, but has anyone every tried to teach their 5 yr. old how to play a video game?

Train wreck, at best, WOW!
 
#584
#584
BeecherVol said:
Off topic, but has anyone every tried to teach their 5 yr. old how to play a video game?

Train wreck, at best, WOW!
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Stick with Leap Frog Learning games. They think that that are video games and will actually learn something.
 
#585
#585
T-TownVol said:
Stick with Leap Frog Learning games. They think that that are video games and will actually learn something.
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I got that too. Its a pretty good system.

This is educational based as well. It has numbers, and letters, and such.

Christmas present.
 
#587
#587
gsvol said:
Admit the fact of the matter, you are afraid to open your own mind and make a spiritual experiment by praying a little prayer yourself and see what happens.

I could suggest some simple prayers but why not make up your own?

If you are afraid to make such an experiment, why ignore and hide that fact from your own self??

You speak of the truth of science but isn't scientific experimentation the root of all scientific discovery??
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I prayed for a pineapple pizza, a Lexus, and a bottle of Jack.

A cheese pizza appeared, a Camry showed up in the driveway, and a fifth of Beam is sitting on top of my bar.

Prayer doesn't work, it is like shopping at Kmart.
 
#588
#588
BeecherVol said:
Christianity by the NT name, yes.

Noah was not called a christian, but he believed in the same God, that Paul did in the NT.
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By this rationale, Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are the same, since all worship the God of Abraham.
 
#589
#589
IPorange said:
By this rationale, Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are the same, since all worship the God of Abraham.
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True, to an extent. Abraham is the common figure, but what would make them different, is Isaac, and Ishmael.

The reason why you have Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, is because they are different. Thousands of years of history up to the present, provide those differences.
 
#590
#590
BeecherVol said:
True, to an extent. Abraham is the common figure, but what would make them different, is Isaac, and Ishmael.

The reason why you have Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, is because they are different. Thousands of years of history up to the present, provide those differences.
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Which was my point, as you were tracing things back to Noah, who was before Abraham.
 
#591
#591
shootermcgavin7 said:
I prayed for a pineapple pizza, a Lexus, and a bottle of Jack.

A cheese pizza appeared, a Camry showed up in the driveway, and a fifth of Beam is sitting on top of my bar.

Prayer doesn't work, it is like shopping at Kmart.
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Prayer can't work if you don't try it and not all prayers will be answered immediatly, for instance I pray you will wise up but obviously it ain't happening. :)
 
#592
#592
BeecherVol said:
Who really knows, we are examining such things with the same brain.
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No, its actually quite clear. To begin with, how many people are dying before reproductive age in non-third world countries? Not sure how well natural selection could work on that population. Second, a larger brain would, as stated before, lead to a larger birth canal (possible?) or an earlier birth (highly impractical/dangerous).
 
#593
#593
IPorange said:
Which was my point, as you were tracing things back to Noah, who was before Abraham.
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Who was not before Adam. The Bible does state in Genesis that God said lets us make man in OUR image. The Christian believes that "OUR image" refers to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Now if we take it back just to Noah and his family and we believe that these 8 were the only ones left. From these 8 the earth was repopulated. As seen from Adam to Noah. Adam knew God and walked with Him in the garden. Adam's kin throgh generations didn't retain God in their knowledge. This lead to eventual worship of other gods. Then the flood came and brought us to Noah. The same thing reguarding knowledge of God happened with the generations after Noah.(including modern man) They began to worship other gods. Through out all this time, God has never let certain groups forget how He really is. This is done in order to keep His worship true. Remember in the 10 Commandments? I the Lord thy God am a jealous God. Here is where Satan takes things and preverts beliefs, thus you have different gods worshipped, name one here.(Islam, Buddah, etc...)

The Christian believes that there will be a 7 year tribulation period befor Christ's return. During this period there will be a man of peace revieled. For 3-1/2 years he will make peace on earth. During the second 3-1/2 years he will set himself up as god in the temple.

To believe as we do about other gods and why they are worshipped, one must look at Satan and his purpose, (and the aforementioned things), to be god. Once this is realized, a Christian beliefs about why there are other religions beside Judism and Christianity, should become clear and can be answered in one word,Satan.
 
#594
#594
turambar85 said:
No, its actually quite clear. To begin with, how many people are dying before reproductive age in non-third world countries? Not sure how well natural selection could work on that population. Second, a larger brain would, as stated before, lead to a larger birth canal (possible?) or an earlier birth (highly impractical/dangerous).
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You must not ever walk through a cemetaries here in the US. Go look in one and see just how many children die in this country before reproductive age. You are talking about death that is not just a third world problem. Here in this country where we have all the modern medicine, children still die. As far as I know, there is not one human being on the face of this earth that is promised their next breath. So one must ask, if its just life or is it natural selection.
 
#595
#595
Oldvol75 said:
You must not ever walk through a cemetaries here in the US. Go look in one and see just how many children die in this country before reproductive age. You are talking about death that is not just a third world problem. Here in this country where we have all the modern medicine, children still die. As far as I know, there is not one human being on the face of this earth that is promised their next breath. So one must ask, if its just life or is it natural selection.
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Ugh. The question "how many die..." was meant to say that it isn't the majority of people anymore, we're doing a little bit better than that. Sure, people die. Sure, kids die. But, kids deaths are, I would reckon, not as often due to small brains as they are to disease and accident. Perhaps? Regardless, natural selection won't do much for us when such a petty percentage don't survive to reproduce.
 
#596
#596
Oldvol75 said:
Who was not before Adam. The Bible does state in Genesis that God said lets us make man in OUR image. The Christian believes that "OUR image" refers to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Now if we take it back just to Noah and his family and we believe that these 8 were the only ones left. From these 8 the earth was repopulated. As seen from Adam to Noah. Adam knew God and walked with Him in the garden. Adam's kin throgh generations didn't retain God in their knowledge. This lead to eventual worship of other gods. Then the flood came and brought us to Noah. The same thing reguarding knowledge of God happened with the generations after Noah.(including modern man) They began to worship other gods. Through out all this time, God has never let certain groups forget how He really is. This is done in order to keep His worship true. Remember in the 10 Commandments? I the Lord thy God am a jealous God. Here is where Satan takes things and preverts beliefs, thus you have different gods worshipped, name one here.(Islam, Buddah, etc...)

The Christian believes that there will be a 7 year tribulation period befor Christ's return. During this period there will be a man of peace revieled. For 3-1/2 years he will make peace on earth. During the second 3-1/2 years he will set himself up as god in the temple.

To believe as we do about other gods and why they are worshipped, one must look at Satan and his purpose, (and the aforementioned things), to be god. Once this is realized, a Christian beliefs about why there are other religions beside Judism and Christianity, should become clear and can be answered in one word,Satan.
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Good to know you aren't worshipping Satan's created God via Satan's created religion. I'm glad your powers of perception are greater than his powers of deception. Congrats! Continue on with your blind surety.
 
#597
#597
turambar85 said:
Good to know you aren't worshipping Satan's created God via Satan's created religion. I'm glad your powers of perception are greater than his powers of deception. Congrats! Continue on with your blind surety.
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To you it may seem as blind surety, but to me its not. There are things that happen that you will never understand unless you experience it. Now I understand you can't grasp that concept of experience but maybe some day you will. But haven't walked in my shoes or me in yours, you sound mighty judgemental and sure that yours is the only correct way. Its that what you usually call out Christians for?
 
#598
#598
Oldvol75 said:
To you it may seem as blind surety, but to me its not. There are things that happen that you will never understand unless you experience it. Now I understand you can't grasp that concept of experience but maybe some day you will. But haven't walked in my shoes or me in yours, you sound mighty judgemental and sure that yours is the only correct way. Its that what you usually call out Christians for?
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Look, sir, you just said that every person who doesn't believe as you do is being deluded by Satan. All I did was say that you seem pretty sure in yourself to think that you're too clever to be fooled by the old man.

And, speaking of experience, people from every religion in history have had "experiences", that means next to nothing. Do their mystical experiences mean that their religion is correct? If you say so...
 
#599
#599
turambar85 said:
No, its actually quite clear. To begin with, how many people are dying before reproductive age in non-third world countries? Not sure how well natural selection could work on that population. Second, a larger brain would, as stated before, lead to a larger birth canal (possible?) or an earlier birth (highly impractical/dangerous).
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So basically, what you are saying is, there is currently nothing wrong with the size of our head in comparison with child birth? Or is our head too big?
 
#600
#600
That is just the Christian condescension and hypocrisy that I can't stomach. You can speak of all other religions as devil-caused facades or imaginative fancies, but once yours is similarly discussed, you are being persecuted and abused.
 
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