Religious debate (split from main board)

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Or perhaps he was one of the most trusted disciples entrusted with a task that 99.9% of all the people who ever inhabited the earth either would not or could do. It is entirely possible that history has painted him in a very misleading light.
 
#2,028
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Why must people try to find something that isn't there when the answer is blatantly obvious? Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 shackles like the prophets said he would. He then realized what he did and hung himself in shame. Its quite simple
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ridethelightening said:
Why must people try to find something that isn't there when the answer is blatantly obvious? Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 shackles like the prophets said he would. He then realized what he did and hung himself in shame. Its quite simple
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That is the way I undrestand it..
 
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KB5252 said:
Or perhaps he was one of the most trusted disciples entrusted with a task that 99.9% of all the people who ever inhabited the earth either would not or could do. It is entirely possible that history has painted him in a very misleading light.
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kind of a dbag move on jesus' part if true.
 
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ridethelightening said:
Why must people try to find something that isn't there when the answer is blatantly obvious? Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 shackles like the prophets said he would. He then realized what he did and hung himself in shame. Its quite simple
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Mainly because this is incomplete fact.........

The story of Judas is much deeper.

:hi:
 
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ridethelightening said:
Why must people try to find something that isn't there when the answer is blatantly obvious? Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 shackles like the prophets said he would. He then realized what he did and hung himself in shame. Its quite simple
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It all depends on what you believe I guess, for instance if you believe the Bible was meant to be read as a history book then I would see your point. I see the Bible as part history, part morality play (authentic in my view), and any number of other subjects such as philosophy intertwined. I believe it is meant to be read with an inquisitive mind and in many cases I do believe there is hidden meaning and teachings too often glanced over by those who study it seeking only answers. The Bible invokes as many questions as it does answers IMO. The challenge in my view is to find the answers to the questions asked even though they are not spelled out word for word but are found with critical thinking.
 
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KB5252 said:
It all depends on what you believe I guess, for instance if you believe the Bible was meant to be read as a history book then I would see your point. I see the Bible as part history, part morality play (authentic in my view), and any number of other subjects such as philosophy intertwined. I believe it is meant to be read with an inquisitive mind and in many cases I do believe there is hidden meaning and teachings too often glanced over by those who study it seeking only answers. The Bible invokes as many questions as it does answers IMO. The challenge in my view is to find the answers to the questions asked even though they are not spelled out word for word but are found with critical thinking.
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+1

:hi:

I find it sad that people simply shun/ignore the 50+ texts outside of the bible that corroborate the life of Jesus.

:banghead2:
 
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droski said:
why throw your buddies image under the bus for eternity>?
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I guess I see it in a different view. Jesus knows every thing that will ever occur. He knew Judas would force his hand in the garden. Jesus called him on it, don't you think Judas played an important part in the prophecy of the messiah coming to earth to die for our sins?
 
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KB5252 said:
It all depends on what you believe I guess, for instance if you believe the Bible was meant to be read as a history book then I would see your point. I see the Bible as part history, part morality play (authentic in my view), and any number of other subjects such as philosophy intertwined. I believe it is meant to be read with an inquisitive mind and in many cases I do believe there is hidden meaning and teachings too often glanced over by those who study it seeking only answers. The Bible invokes as many questions as it does answers IMO. The challenge in my view is to find the answers to the questions asked even though they are not spelled out word for word but are found with critical thinking.
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All of this is not different to any other religious text. People will find answers, lessons, and teachings where they see fit in the text.

The person is the deciding factor in each case, the text is almost inconsequential. While the actual text is a guide, it is the person interpreting and deciding what is useful, worthless, real, and allegory.
 
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So..... Judas = devil and Peter gets off the hook?

I mean, if you are catholic, the leader/founder of your church denied Christ not once, not twice, but three times.
 
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rjd970 said:
All of this is not different to any other religious text. People will find answers, lessons, and teachings where they see fit in the text.

The person is the deciding factor in each case, the text is almost inconsequential. While the actual text is a guide, it is the person interpreting and deciding what is useful, worthless, real, and allegory.
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Awesome point!

Out of the gospels I prefer Luke because of the specificity he writes with.

I guess this would also explain why James is my favorite book. The whole life, what am I here for, how should I live guidebook for the ages.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
I guess I see it in a different view. Jesus knows every thing that will ever occur. He knew Judas would force his hand in the garden. Jesus called him on it, don't you think Judas played an important part in the prophecy of the messiah coming to earth to die for our sins?
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jesus' death was inevitable no? judas simply sped up the process.

OrangeEmpire said:
Then who is Jesus if he is not the son of god?

The biggest con artest the world has evern known?
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who says jesus said he was the son of god? we've seen many examples of great men and women dying only to have their followers flat out make things up to raise them above human.
 
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droski said:
jesus' death was inevitable no? judas simply sped up the process.



who says jesus said he was the son of god? we've seen many examples of great men and women dying only to have their followers flat out make things up to raise them above human.
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He was on a timeline...... :)

You'll have to point out someone on the level of Jesus. The only other person I would be able to point out is Muhammad.
 
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droski said:
jesus' death was inevitable no? judas simply sped up the process.



who says jesus said he was the son of god? we've seen many examples of great men and women dying only to have their followers flat out make things up to raise them above human.
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Who says hes not?
 
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ridethelightening said:
I'm just not always looking to be controversial. In this instance, its pretty cut and dried. Knowing anything else about the man and trying to label him as a martyr is inconsequential and asinine
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Wow, from that to angry.............

Nice!

:crazy:

In short, it is wonderful the 50+ texts support the life of Jesus but we negate what they wrote out Judas.

Outstanding!

:banghead2:
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
He was on a timeline...... :)

You'll have to point out someone on the level of Jesus. The only other person I would be able to point out is Muhammad.
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you are right. this would be the most flagerant example in history by far. but some examples include supposed miracle healings by mother teresa and pope john paul. some other not so recent ones are saint ignatius and saint patrick.
 
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