Religious debate (split from main board)

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#2,127
I did........ which is why I believe the bosphorus flooded. How else would you explain the ark landing at Ararat?

Also, science tells us of many local floods during the time around the earth from climate change......... I don't think the story of Noah is unreasonable.
 
#2,129
#2,129
Not the Ararat in Iran silly.............

Have you thanked gov't for providing for your family today?

Oh wait, that would be me that is providing for your family...... you're welcome....
 
#2,131
#2,131
ridethelightening said:
God created MAN, and saw that he needed a companion. Gender was obviously something He concerned himself with
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T-TownVol said:
A "just" God did create the woman as a "helpmate" for man. Gender is 100% a factor in his plan for man.
He did say that it was "good". Nice twist of the meaning though.
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You guys are saying women were created to be subservient to men?


And how did I twist the meaning of "good?"

If you guys are saying women were created to be subservient to men, then I am saying God would have to be oppressive, unjust, and inherently evil. Women are human beings who are equal to men in every meaningful way.

I am just about done with the religious debating. It used to be fun, but it is getting disturbing and depressing.
 
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IPorange said:
You guys are saying women were created to be subservient to men?


And how did I twist the meaning of "good?"

If you guys are saying women were created to be subservient to men, then I am saying God would have to be oppressive, unjust, and inherently evil. Women are human beings who are equal to men in every meaningful way.

I am just about done with the religious debating. It used to be fun, but it is getting disturbing and depressing.
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You are reading WAAAY to much meaning in my post. Did I use the term "subservient"? I said "helpmate". HUUUGE difference.
The comment about the "plan" that God has for the woman is in terms of the church.

Your use of the word "good" implied that they were "equal" and how can God that looks at the creation of woman as good/equal not think that they have equal standing in the church or in a Christian marriage. You also use the word "marginalize". You will never hear me use that word in regards to women. That is something that you have added to the conversation.

I am not the best at getting my meaning down on paper. The bottom line is, those of us that believe what the Bible says about the man/woman relationship, are coming at this from a totally different side that "society" comes from.
 
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T-TownVol said:
You are reading WAAAY to much meaning in my post. Did I use the term "subservient"? I said "helpmate". HUUUGE difference.
The comment about the "plan" that God has for the woman is in terms of the church.

Your use of the word "good" implied that they were "equal" and how can God that looks at the creation of woman as good/equal not think that they have equal standing in the church or in a Christian marriage. You also use the word "marginalize". You will never hear me use that word in regards to women. That is something that you have added to the conversation.

I am not the best at getting my meaning down on paper. The bottom line is, those of us that believe what the Bible says about the man/woman relationship, are coming at this from a totally different side that "society" comes from.
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Okay, to me "helpmate" denotes an "assistanceship" of some kind. I.e., they are there for men, not just there as their own entity in themselves. Is this off? If I am still not on the level with what you are saying, it isn't intentional. I am honestly trying to follow here.

If women are not being marginalized or being measured as some way "lesser" than men, why are they being treated separately in the church?

I disagree that those that believe what the Bible says are about man and woman are coming at it differently than "society." You are coming about it exactly the same way as the "society" in which these works were produced: the middle east.
 
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IPorange said:
Okay, to me "helpmate" denotes an "assistanceship" of some kind. I.e., they are there for men, not just there as their own entity in themselves. Is this off? If I am still not on the level with what you are saying, it isn't intentional. I am honestly trying to follow here.

If women are not being marginalized or being measured as some way "lesser" than men, why are they being treated separately in the church?

I disagree that those that believe what the Bible says are about man and woman are coming at it differently than "society." You are coming about it exactly the same way as the "society" in which these works were produced: the middle east.
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Dead wrong on the middle east comment.......helpmate means partner....as in....."two become one".....the leadership of the church is a totally seperate issue that you are trying to apply the laws of society to.
 
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IPorange said:
Huh? I'm saying the Bible is wrong and immoral if that is what it is actually saying.
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exactly....that is the same as saying that the Bible is not true and that it is not the word of God
You have made that point very clear and that is fine. Just don't try to use the words of the Bible in your arguements if they hold no truth to you.
 
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rjd970 said:
Blasphemy I say, Blasphemy! You aren't interpreting right or letting everybody else know what God really means.
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Got nothing to do with interpretation. It is his comments and my comments. He questioned what I said and I answered. I did not say that I have all the answers. I just make the point that everything I said is from the Bible.
Nice try.
 
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T-TownVol said:
Got nothing to do with interpretation. It is his comments and my comments. He quaestioned what I said and I answered. I did not say that I have all the answers. I just make the point that everything I said is from the Bible.
Nice try.
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No sense in having the same argument again. You say the Bible is God's word, I say it is your opinion interpreted through scripture. We agree to disagree.
 
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rjd970 said:
No sense in having the same argument again. You say the Bible is God's word, I say it is your opinion interpreted through scripture. We agree to disagree.
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Which was my point to IP and you made fun of it.
I responded, no sweat.
 
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T-TownVol said:
exactly....that is the same as saying that the Bible is not true and that it is not the word of God
You have made that point very clear and that is fine. Just don't try to use the words of the Bible in your arguements if they hold no truth to you.
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So what you are saying is because I don't believe, I can't properly comprehend the words of the Bible?
 
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You fail reading, once again. *sigh*

IP said: So what you are saying is because I don't believe, I can't properly comprehend the words of the Bible?
You said: That is exactly what the Bible says....not me.

Therefore, (and try to stay with me on this) IP cannot comprehend the bible because he does not believe.

Ergo, to be able to comprehend the bible, he'd have to believe.

Assuming IP had never read the bible, he would, according to what you said, need to believe it before reading it because otherwise it would lead to incomprehension.

You dig?
 
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