Religious leadership on this team and Bryce Brown...

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Boy do I hope we have Chris Walker around for another season... after reading the article on the FCA meeting involving Mike Edwards and Janzen Jackson it made me a lot more comfortable with the future of the program even after the debacle of the previous two weeks.

I just found it so amusing when everyone and their brother was convinced that Bryce Brown was going to be trouble and lucky to last 2 seasons on the football team. This kid is one of the most religious people you would ever meet, and a great influence on his teammates.

I'm not trying to pull everyone back into a Fulmer vs. Kiffin debate, but it feels like we've got rid of most of the cancer that was eating our program from the inside over the last decade and have established real leadership and discipline. Believe me when I say this will eventually give us the extra credibility we need when we're trying to recruit future players mothers.

The future is strong with guys like Anthony Anderson, and Bryce Brown... and I'm more excited than ever for the future of the program.
 
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GREAT POST! If you love the Lord, everything else will follow!

I'm so excited to BB excel in this program next year. He is gonna get swoll over the summer for sure.
 
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I love hearing Walker in conferences...this guy has some good heart...one of my favorite players.
 
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Yes, that great FCA meeting Thursday night certainly helped out our performance on the field on Saturday.

If you're a religious person and you want to get excited about what people say in FCA meetings, then that's one thing, but you're kidding yourself if you think it has any effect on what happens on the football field. You won't find a more moralizing coach than Mark Richt, and look how his career's been going recently.
 
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Walker will be around another year. There's no way he projects high in the draft this year after struggling with back issues. He could also stand to add some thickness and power to his lower body to give him more explosiveness and drive. He'll be a beast next year.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Yes, that great FCA meeting Thursday night certainly helped out our performance on the field on Saturday.

If you're a religious person and you want to get excited about what people say in FCA meetings, then that's one thing, but you're kidding yourself if you think it has any effect on what happens on the football field. You won't find a more moralizing coach than Mark Richt, and look how his career's been going recently.
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Unbelievable! It certainly doesn't hurt. I think that the point is that these kids are of good character and that can be contributed to their faith.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Yes, that great FCA meeting Thursday night certainly helped out our performance on the field on Saturday.

If you're a religious person and you want to get excited about what people say in FCA meetings, then that's one thing, but you're kidding yourself if you think it has any effect on what happens on the football field. You won't find a more moralizing coach than Mark Richt, and look how his career's been going recently.
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The changes in character that go on inside of a person committed to Christ don't always win the next football game anymore than working out once a few days before a game does. It is the kind of progressive change (sanctification) that cultivates victorious character in sports but more importantly life.

Chris Walker wasn't in that car at 2 AM, was he? Neither were several other openly Christian guys on the team. So who contributed more to the effort last Saturday the guys whose lives are being governed by Christian convictions or guys who were acting out the values of the popular/secular culture around them?
 
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give_him 6 said:
Unbelievable! It certainly doesn't hurt. I think that the point is that these kids are of good character and that can be contributed to their faith.
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Maybe, maybe not. If having faith makes them better people off the field, then I'm all for it. But just because they say they have faith in God does not inherently mean they are good people, good things will happen, and/or they will make the right choices.

It's clear Chris Walker is a great person -- even if he wasn't religious, he just seems to be that kind of person. He's a great player to have on this team -- I simply don't subscribe to the fact that he is a good person because he is religious. To each their own though.
 
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sjt18 said:
The changes in character that go on inside of a person committed to Christ don't always win the next football game anymore than working out once a few days before a game does. It is the kind of progressive change (sanctification) that cultivates victorious character in sports but more importantly life.

Chris Walker wasn't in that car at 2 AM, was he? Neither were several other openly Christian guys on the team. So who contributed more to the effort last Saturday the guys whose lives are being governed by Christian convictions or guys who were living out the influence of the popular/secular culture around them?
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I think he's more saying that the presence of a really high character guy like Chris Walker doesn't necessarily mean his teammates are going to walk a straight line. David Pollack is about as religious as it gets. I'd be interested to see how many incidents UGA had from 2001-2004.
 
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give_him 6 said:
Unbelievable! It certainly doesn't hurt. I think that the point is that these kids are of good character and that can be contributed to their faith.
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The OP says several times that he's happy about the "future ouf our program" due to the religious leadership that he's seeing. I want to have kids of high character on the team too, but to pretend that it has anything to do with football -- and therefore the future of the program -- is ridiculous. Again, look at Mark Richt. Highly lauded across the south for his religiousity. It helps him land recruits like Marlon Brown with highly religious families. But yet apparently God likes Brian Van Gorder's defense better than Mark Richt's religious leadership.

I want good character kids on the team too; if they have a religious faith that leads them to make smart decisions and life right, then great. But it doesn't have anything to do with the "future of the program."
 
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I get what he's saying... he's simply wrong. Unless he misstated his idea... he's discounting the notion that Christian character does or will have any positive effect on a football team.

I shouldn't be surprised when people try to deny the positive influence of biblical character on teams or even societies but sometimes I am.
 
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The UT 3 found Jesus! No no, they didn't find him in a "Where's Waldo?" book next to the ferris wheel eating cotton candy. They found faith and made peace with God. Rumor is, they aimed the pellet gun at God and told him, "Forgive us all your cash!!" At least, that's what UT fans attending the event claimed to have heard. It was definitely 'forgive'...

The Tennessee jury there claimed that everything is 'over and done with', and that they have their support. My guess is, the incident had nothing to do with the UT 3 being arrested and facing mandatory prison time. No, the UT 3 probably found their faith after they stole a bible from someone at gun point after they found that Tebow's eye-black was a reference a scripture passage. It all comes back to Tebow...you spend 15 minutes with Tebow and your life is better for it. You spend 60 minutes with Tebow on the field, and you're losing to his team. Is there anything he can't do?

Seriously, I have nothing against players finding their faith. What I do have a problem with is when someone is 'caught', they find religion because it's convenient to be reaccepted as quickly as possible. If they really wanted to get right with God, they should consider accepting responsibility and doing the time. Finding Jesus is not a get out of jail free card.
 
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sjt18 said:
The changes in character that go on inside of a person committed to Christ don't always win the next football game anymore than working out once a few days before a game does. It is the kind of progressive change (sanctification) that cultivates victorious character in sports but more importantly life.

Chris Walker wasn't in that car at 2 AM, was he? Neither were several other openly Christian guys on the team. So who contributed more to the effort last Saturday the guys whose lives are being governed by Christian convictions or guys who were acting out the values of the popular/secular culture around them?
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American popular culture is glossed with an almost universally held veneer of shallow religious belief. Note how easily and predictably these guys had public conversion experiences the next time they walked into a religious meeting after their ordeal. The vast majority of people in America -- especially the south -- believe in God, and most southerners say they're Christians -- but it certainly doesn't seem to have much serious effect on their behavior. Publicly professing your faith at church or an FCA meeting is easy; actually having high character is something entirely different. Pretending that the two are the same thing is silly, and when people turn around and make the leap to winning football, delusional.
 
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Mr. Two Bits said:
The UT 3 found Jesus! No no, they didn't find him in a "Where's Waldo?" book next to the ferris wheel eating cotton candy. They found faith and made peace with God. Rumor is, they aimed the pellet gun at God and told him, "Forgive us all your cash!!" At least, that's what UT fans attending the event claimed to have heard. It was definitely 'forgive'...

The Tennessee jury there claimed that everything is 'over and done with', and that they have their support. My guess is, the incident had nothing to do with the UT 3 being arrested and facing mandatory prison time. No, the UT 3 probably found their faith after they stole a bible from someone at gun point after they found that Tebow's eye-black was a reference a scripture passage. It all comes back to Tebow...you spend 15 minutes with Tebow and your life is better for it. You spend 60 minutes with Tebow on the field, and you're losing to his team. Is there anything he can't do?

Seriously, I have nothing against players finding their faith. What I do have a problem with is when someone is 'caught', they find religion because it's convenient to be reaccepted as quickly as possible. If they really wanted to get right with God, they should consider accepting responsibility and doing the time. Finding Jesus is not a get out of jail free card.
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The victims asked that the three players not be punished. By your Spikes - Ealey logic, no crime was committed. Let's reinstate them all.
 
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sjt18 said:
I get what he's saying... he's simply wrong. Unless he misstated his idea... he's discounting the notion that Christian character does or will have any positive effect on a football team.

I shouldn't be surprised when people try to deny the positive influence of biblical character on teams or even societies but sometimes I am.
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I don't discount the notion that character has a positive effect on a football team, but I completely discount the notion that whether that character can be classified as "Christian" matters at all. We have a bunch of guys on this site who are pointing to what supposedly happened at an FCA meeting, or articles about the team chaplain, and claiming that therefore that means that the future looks bright. If that's the case, then what's going on down in Athens? The whole program is founded on the public religiosity of one man, and yet they've been headed into the toilet ever since one of his assistant coaches left.

Character on a college football team has nothing to do with whether they profess a religious faith. It's going to class, and working hard in the weight room, and making smart decisions about staying off the streets. It's not what you say, it's what you do. Whether the motivation for it is "Christian" is irrelevant.
 
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Some conversions come as a direct result of tragedy/treachery, the head being forced to look into the heart. Some professions of faith are merely to assuage personal guilt or to garner forgiveness by others. Not the same. If it doesn't bother you until you get caught, it's a good sign that nothing significant went on in the spiritual realm.
 
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I don't think narcotizing our entire football team with god is going to solve the problem. Troublemakers are troublemakers until THEY see the error of their ways and decide to do something about it.

Just as mischief can be found in the godless, hypocrisy can be found just as easily in the religious.

These kids needs discipline and a firm hand. This is a team of strong, young men. They need a thump on the head, not a thump on the bible.
 
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Mr. Two Bits said:
Yes, because two offenses are nearly identical. :crazy:
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You also have the whole "he didn't actually succeed in hurting him" argument you made in that instance. Applies here, too. Looks like they have a pretty ironclad defense.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Yes, that great FCA meeting Thursday night certainly helped out our performance on the field on Saturday.

If you're a religious person and you want to get excited about what people say in FCA meetings, then that's one thing, but you're kidding yourself if you think it has any effect on what happens on the football field. You won't find a more moralizing coach than Mark Richt, and look how his career's been going recently.
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If speaking at FCA meetings and prayer breakfasts had the first thing to do with success, Fulmer would still be the coach and working on his fourth or fifth national title.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
The OP says several times that he's happy about the "future ouf our program" due to the religious leadership that he's seeing. I want to have kids of high character on the team too, but to pretend that it has anything to do with football -- and therefore the future of the program -- is ridiculous. Again, look at Mark Richt. Highly lauded across the south for his religiousity. It helps him land recruits like Marlon Brown with highly religious families. But yet apparently God likes Brian Van Gorder's defense better than Mark Richt's religious leadership.

I want good character kids on the team too; if they have a religious faith that leads them to make smart decisions and life right, then great. But it doesn't have anything to do with the "future of the program."
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If God's concerned about football, why does Notre Dame suck?
 
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