Religious Survey

#251
#251
(GVF @ Aug 10 said:
And, you always start off your intelligent and rational arguments by calling people religious terrorists. You think you're gonna get decent conversation in return. And if we don't agree with you, you just keep slinging stones, and you never really provide a whole lot of evidence for why you shoot us down. I'm completely open to logical conversation. As long as your open to my beliefs as well. Which you haven't been.
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No, I start off my religious arguments with those who state matter of factly that all infidels are going to hell religious terrorists. That is a big difference.
 
#252
#252
(GVF @ Aug 10 said:
He flooded the earth and wiped out the wickedness. He detroyed cities for it. He has shown countless time that he will destroy those in darkness and not in the light. Sounds harsh. Hard to explain, understand, accept. But, why would we be any different.
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Do you believe that the entire Earth was under water? If so, where did the waters recede?

Several pagan religions had a flood myth. I think this was written into the Bible to draw in these pagans to the one God.
 
#253
#253
(therealUT @ Aug 11 said:
God is wisdom. Wisdom is in itself sophisticated.
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That I can actually agree with. We do gain wisdom as we study and grow with God, but we'll never receive all understanding until we are with him. The human mind cannot fathom the wisdom of God.
 
#254
#254
(therealUT @ Aug 11 said:
No, I start off my religious arguments with those who state matter of factly that all infidels are going to hell religious terrorists. That is a big difference.
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However you state it, you are not tolerant of any expressed beliefs that are moderate or conservative if they differ greatly from yours and if one stands to their beliefs. Altough I don't agree with alot of your stance, I resepct it because you believe it. I, too, beleive mine. I put my trust in God's teachings, not man's. Fault me for that all day of you like, but I'll accept and profess that option any day over the alternatives.
 
#255
#255
(vader @ Aug 11 said:
Do you believe that the entire Earth was under water? If so, where did the waters recede?

Several pagan religions had a flood myth. I think this was written into the Bible to draw in these pagans to the one God.
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I read half of Genesis over agin Wednesday night. It does not say where the waters receded to. It took about 150 days all total, so I'm sure natural course had some to do with it. I'm sure God probably stepped in and helped. He flooded it, he'd know how to clean it back up. Archeaology has not had a hard time showing evidence of high waters in strange places. However you see it I guess.

I'm reminded of an old bumper sticker I used to see growing up that rminds me of faith. 'God said it, I believe it, That settles it.' I try not to offend other's beliefs as beliefs are personal, and you shouldn't hurt people that way. Obviously the rules are a bit more relaxed in this forum. Come with thick skin, or stay out. But, the discussions are good.
 
#256
#256
(GVF @ Aug 11 said:
I read half of Genesis over agin Wednesday night. It does not say where the waters receded to. It took about 150 days all total, so I'm sure natural course had some to do with it. I'm sure God probably stepped in and helped. He flooded it, he'd know how to clean it back up. Archeaology has not had a hard time showing evidence of high waters in strange places. However you see it I guess.

I'm reminded of an old bumper sticker I used to see growing up that rminds me of faith. 'God said it, I believe it, That settles it.' I try not to offend other's beliefs as beliefs are personal, and you shouldn't hurt people that way. Obviously the rules are a bit more relaxed in this forum. Come with thick skin, or stay out. But, the discussions are good.
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Yeah, I read the whole book of Genesis at work yesterday. Gotta love that internet!!

Since the writers of the OT did not know anything about the Americas, I view it to mean the "known world".

If it was the whole world, how did kangaroos get there?
 
#257
#257
(GVF @ Aug 11 said:
However you state it, you are not tolerant of any expressed beliefs that are moderate or conservative if they differ greatly from yours and if one stands to their beliefs. Altough I don't agree with alot of your stance, I resepct it because you believe it. I, too, beleive mine. I put my trust in God's teachings, not man's. Fault me for that all day of you like, but I'll accept and profess that option any day over the alternatives.
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NOT AT ALL. You should really listen to exactly what I am saying. I am not tolerant of those who state that only people who believe a certain way have earned God's favor. I am very tolerant of any and all who want to practice as they wish, as long as they distance themselves from "Holier than thou" belief that you hold.
 
#258
#258
I want to know why God just doesn't come back and wipe the whole face of the earth off again. Who would be his "Noah" this time? Surely, the people that sinned back in Moses' time were not more sinful than humans today.
If he thought they were bad, what does he think about us? He didn't wait for "them" to die to receive eternal damnation, he just killed them while they were living. I often wonder if the whole civilized (no pun intended) world back then, including 5 month old babies were all that bad? Or should I just realize that the whole Old Testament is to "scare" us in the first place?


I view Jesus as being much more sympathetic and compassionate when he comes in the form of a man, but he's still gets "pissed off" alot.

If there is a God, why do we have to fear it?

 
#259
#259
(therealUT @ Aug 11 said:
NOT AT ALL. You should really listen to exactly what I am saying. I am not tolerant of those who state that only people who believe a certain way have earned God's favor. I am very tolerant of any and all who want to practice as they wish, as long as they distance themselves from "Holier than thou" belief that you hold.
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Maybe you should look at what you are saying. You just said you are tolerant of any way except one. I f a person chooses to base their faith soloey on what the scriptures say, then you have no tolerance of them. New testament christians have always ben persecuted. They crucified Christ for his teachings and beliefs. And to fulfill the prophecies. I've not been holier than thou. not one time have I put myself above anyone here. for you to imply any different is false. I haven't condemned you for what I consider to be some strange beliefs on your part. I've aruged them, but not criticized you for them. If I have, then I was in err. Basically you are tolerant of people that are indifferent in their beliefs because they really don't stand for anything. They are lukewarm. They are alot easier to have "logical" conversations with since they won't question much. I consider my beliefs to be as much a part of intelligent conversation as you do yours. If you are true to your beliefs you should be able to handle those differences. If not, then you really don't say much for your beliefs.
 
#260
#260
(Jasongivm6 @ Aug 11 said:
I want to know why God just doesn't come back and wipe the whole face of the earth off again. Who would be his "Noah" this time? Surely, the people that sinned back in Moses' time were not more sinful than humans today.
If he thought they were bad, what does he think about us? He didn't wait for "them" to die to receive eternal damnation, he just killed them while they were living. I often wonder if the whole civilized (no pun intended) world back then, including 5 month old babies were all that bad? Or should I just realize that the whole Old Testament is to "scare" us in the first place?
I view Jesus as being much more sympathetic and compassionate when he comes in the form of a man, but he's still gets "pissed off" alot.

If there is a God, why do we have to fear it?
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In due time. He says there will be a second coming. Like a thief in the night. We don't know when it will happen. Could be tomorrow, could be a long, long time. You are correct in that what I've always seen in biblical "stories" is that corruption is corruption. I wouldn't view us any worse now. The medium of that corruption may be different, but that would be all.

I don't think the intention is to fear God for fear's sake. Maybe to fear the power of God. Which really seems all one in the same. I guess the goal is to be prepared so there is no reason to think of needing to fear God. I guess the difference in God's power and Jesus' compassions s that Jesus came in our form, where God is not capable of having sin near him.
 
#261
#261
(MyBloodRunnethOrange @ Aug 9 said:
The church, and more specifically, the leaders of the church today, is where I have my problem.
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Meet my church.

Both teachers said they recalled LaBorg scolding them at the May 25 meeting with these words: "Remember that God opened up the ground to swallow murmurers, and I will pray for God to do that to those who murmur. And I have the power to do that."
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CHBC
 
#262
#262
For me, the issue of carbon dating and the bible gets to the heart of the credibility of the bible. The fossil record for dinosaurs is compelling too.

Its difficult to accept the bible at face value, God made heaven and earth in 7 days, or symbolically as 7 geological periods. The latter forces me to question everything written in the bible; is it fact, symbolism, etc.

On the other hand, I'm not ready to accept the idea that man descended from what amounts to as rocks. There is nothing about the survival of the fittest that would suggest man would evolve needs for love, companionship, etc.

Neither idea is satisfying to me.
 
#265
#265
(MyBloodRunnethOrange @ Aug 11 said:
Meet my church.


CHBC
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I don't blame your for searching and questioning. I've seen bad situations like that before.
 
#266
#266
(MyBloodRunnethOrange @ Aug 12 said:
I'm there 24/7/365 :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
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Yes, she puts a newfound curiosity back in racing. I would assume making blood race.
 
#267
#267
(MyBloodRunnethOrange @ Aug 11 said:
Meet my church.
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In all seriousness, I'm a member of College Heights, even if I haven't attended regularly. It scares the hell out of me to see what this man is doing to the place.
 
#269
#269
Both teachers said they recalled LaBorg scolding them at the May 25 meeting with these words: "Remember that God opened up the ground to swallow murmurers, and I will pray for God to do that to those who murmur. And I have the power to do that."
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Of course, if the pastor or one of his yes men are avid Vol fans who read this board, he will probably pray and ask God to kill me too. If I suddenly disappear you guys know what happened.
 
#270
#270
(MyBloodRunnethOrange @ Aug 12 said:
In all seriousness, I'm a member of College Heights, even if I haven't attended regularly. It scares the hell out of me to see what this man is doing to the place.
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That is tragic to see a peson tear a church up. A local BC here had an almost identical situation where they were looking to replace him, he refused to leave. Said it was his church. It got so bad, deputies used to sit iin the parking lot ater chruch. He and his supporters left and started another BC. I guess one reason I prefer CoC having multiple elders, that doesn't include the preacher, so one individual cannot destroy a church. Of course that's no guarantee. I've seen other issues kill CoC bodies. I guess that's why I promote scripture more than anything else. Man is failing.
 
#271
#271
(MyBloodRunnethOrange @ Aug 11 said:
Meet my church.


CHBC
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So you hang out around upper Nashville. Mind divulging the CoC preacher you study with. Just curious if I know him. I used to get around alot.
 
#272
#272
(GVF @ Aug 11 said:
Maybe you should look at what you are saying. You just said you are tolerant of any way except one. I f a person chooses to base their faith soloey on what the scriptures say, then you have no tolerance of them. New testament christians have always ben persecuted. They crucified Christ for his teachings and beliefs. And to fulfill the prophecies. I've not been holier than thou. not one time have I put myself above anyone here. for you to imply any different is false. I haven't condemned you for what I consider to be some strange beliefs on your part. I've aruged them, but not criticized you for them. If I have, then I was in err. Basically you are tolerant of people that are indifferent in their beliefs because they really don't stand for anything. They are lukewarm. They are alot easier to have "logical" conversations with since they won't question much. I consider my beliefs to be as much a part of intelligent conversation as you do yours. If you are true to your beliefs you should be able to handle those differences. If not, then you really don't say much for your beliefs.
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Stating that only those who believe as you do are going to heaven, is most certainly a 'holier than thou' attitude. I am very firm in my beliefs. Firm enough that I do not feel threatened by the notion that those who believe differently and live a good life will also find inclusion in heaven.

Also, I have yet to see the evidence of the persecution of the Church of Christ. The persecutions in the Roman Empire were against Catholics. The persecutions during the Holocaust were against Catholics and Jews. The persecutions by the Soviet gov't were against Jews and Catholics.
 
#274
#274
(MyBloodRunnethOrange @ Aug 12 said:
In all seriousness, I'm a member of College Heights, even if I haven't attended regularly. It scares the hell out of me to see what this man is doing to the place.
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I'm actually going today. I have to see for myself what's going on. My curiosity has gotten the best of me. Hopefully they won't break out the poison kool-aid today :D
 
#275
#275
therealUT said:
Stating that only those who believe as you do are going to heaven, is most certainly a 'holier than thou' attitude. I am very firm in my beliefs. Firm enough that I do not feel threatened by the notion that those who believe differently and live a good life will also find inclusion in heaven.

Also, I have yet to see the evidence of the persecution of the Church of Christ. The persecutions in the Roman Empire were against Catholics. The persecutions during the Holocaust were against Catholics and Jews. The persecutions by the Soviet gov't were against Jews and Catholics.
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There again, you don't read other peoples statements fully. you just see what you want so you can criticize. I have never stated what you say I state. I quote scripture that states those words exactly. Not mine, but the Lord's. Then again, you don't view God or Christ as having meant everything they said the way they said it anyway. I don't guess I have those kind of interpretive skills. Second, I never said the Churches of Christ were persecuted, I said new testament christians were. That why alot of them hid in their homes and other places to worship. That is why alot of the apostles and disciples were put to death for their teachings and beliefs.
 
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