Republican draft legislation to replace Obamacare leaked.

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carlos86 said:
This is one reason I believe Obamacare will not be fully repealed in the end.

"Watson also voted for Donald Trump, believing the businessman would bring change. She dismissed his campaign pledges to scrap the Affordable Care Act as bluster. Now, as she watches the new president push to kill the law that provided her with a critical lifeline, Watson finds herself among many Trump supporters who must reconcile their votes with worries about the future of their healthcare."

This Trump voter is torn between support for the president and an Obamacare plan that saved her life - Chicago Tribune
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I have a challenge for you. Make a budget that accounts for a huge unfunded liability in the tune of 121 trillion dollars, keep the military the best,and make social security ( which is who we owe at least half of our debt to ) solvent.
 
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Burger said:
I have a challenge for you. Make a budget that accounts for a huge unfunded liability in the tune of 121 trillion dollars, keep the military the best,and make social security ( which is who we owe at least half of our debt to ) solvent.
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Yea that doesn't happen without entitlement reform and the President refuse to even say those words.
 
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Burger said:
I have a challenge for you. Make a budget that accounts for a huge unfunded liability in the tune of 121 trillion dollars, keep the military the best,and make social security ( which is who we owe at least half of our debt to ) solvent.
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Spend less.
Across the board...Military, social programs, foreign aid.
Spend less.
On everything.
Spend less.
Don't decrease taxes until you've paid off the deficit.
Spend less.
On Everything.
Spend less.
 
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Biopsyman said:
.until free for service returns.. the system will remain a mess. Cost and reinbursements are never aligned. You pay into a system and your responibity is never know until months later..
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Good point on medical billing. I cant tell you how many times a bill has showed up months after some medical event in our house. We can never come up with the reasons for the timing or amounts or even who can and should be billing. It is just a black hole where regular financial laws don't apply.
 
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So when is it the federal governments business to tell me how to insure myself? And penalize me if I don't conform. Thanks Obama.

Forget this sh!! Trump. Just more socialist bs.
 
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So The House presented their plan to the NGA ( National Governors Association) and the Governers flipped out. The states could lose anywhere between 65 and 80 percent of their federal health care funding under the GOP plan. And the Congressional Budget Office believes "the GOP's new, age-based tax credits would cost the government a lot of money and would enable relatively few additional Americans to get insurance." Alaska Gov. Bill Walker and Ohio Gov. John Kasich went in on the plan saying that they need to find a way for people who were covered under Obamacare because of Medicaid expansion to keep their coverage.

"A phaseout of Medicaid expansion would be very difficult," said Alaska Gov. Bill Walker. "We've had 29,000 Alaskans that now receive health care as a result of that. We hope we don't have to face that decision."



NGA Presentation Health Care
https://www.documentcloud.org/docum...dium=email&utm_campaign=sendto_newslettertest
 
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Keep in mind that you have to essentially cut 1.2 trillion off the budget.
 
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orangeluvr said:
The same old tune from the repubs privatize everything! :whistling:
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My favorite is when a government position is eliminated and the person who is let go is immediately rehired as a private contractor/consultant at a greater salary. The government gets to claim that they have reduced the number of government employees and the total expenditures on government salaries. The public is blissfully ignorant to the fact that they are now paying more in taxes for the same work. It's a pretty common shell game used to appease the anti-government crowd.
 
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illumiVOLi said:
They should repeal and replace it now. I work in construction and my wife is an independent insurance agent and neither of us are provided insurance through our employer. We bust our a$$ to be able to afford our 1800 sq ft house. We have one car, two kids and one is severely handicapped who gets nothing as far as government help. We are broke every month. We receive no subsidy because our combined income is too much. Roughly 90k a year. This $hit is a yoke that my family can't bear. Our premium went from $700 to $1200 in one year which is more than our mortgage. It makes me sick to see these jokes get free insurance or heavily subsidized because they are too lazy and sorry to get it on their own. I don't f'n get it. How would the people who support this feel if their car insurance sky rocketed so we could share the load of the traffic violator's and DUIers because it's "unfair" that they should have to pay for their lifestyle choices. How cAn you provide insurance to people without underwriting it. The democrats are killing the working man to play to their weak and unwilling base. Liberals truly are killing America.
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If you make 90K plus with two children and you can't afford healthcare you need to reexamine your budget instead of blaming "liberals". :thud:
 
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luthervol said:
My favorite is when a government position is eliminated and the person who is let go is immediately rehired as a private contractor/consultant at a greater salary. The government gets to claim that they have reduced the number of government employees and the total expenditures on government salaries. The public is blissfully ignorant to the fact that they are now paying more in taxes for the same work. It's a pretty common shell game used to appease the anti-government crowd.
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You have this exactly backwards. Government employees cant exist without the taxation of private employers and employees.
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
You have this exactly backwards. Government employees cant exist without the taxation of private employers and employees.
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I'm not sure you understood my post.
Job X must be done and is currently being done by a government employee for a cost of 100K a year. The position is eliminated and the employee is fired as a government employee and then rehired as a contract employee (private). He does the same job but now the government pays the contractor 200K. There is one less government employee, the same work is still being done, and the cost to the government (tax payer) increased by 100K.
 
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luthervol said:
I'm not sure you understood my post.
Job X must be done and is currently being done by a government employee for a cost of 100K a year. The position is eliminated and the employee is fired as a government employee and then rehired as a contract employee (private). He does the same job but now the government pays the contractor 200K. There is one less government employee, the same work is still being done, and the cost to the government (tax payer) increased by 100K.
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Ok...a lose, lose government scenario then. Both situations can only exist through taxation.
 
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k-town_king said:
If you make 90K plus with two children and you can't afford healthcare you need to reexamine your budget instead of blaming "liberals". :thud:
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Biden said the democrats need to stand up for the guy making 90k a year with two kids and is barely getting by.
 
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We are rearranging the deck chairs if we don't push for HC pricing transparency and regulatory slack WRT non-doctor (e.g. NP, PA) care models.

In the insurance side moves towards more customer driven models (HSAs, etc.) could accelerate the move towards alternative care models and pricing transparency. Moving towards single payer exacerbates the problem.

Hopefully the GOP plan also reduces the "essential benefits" package that was required under ACA.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Its an extremely difficult problem with no easy solution. Everyone deserves access to affordable, top notch medical care. But how is that possible in todays society? The pharmaceutical industry is to boame yes. But its only part of the problem as well. It takes huge amounts of research, development and money to come up with the most state of the art machines, drugs and treatments. How do you offset those costs?
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Legalize Marijuana................. you're welcome
 
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Republicans will have a tough time with this. ACA was designed to get voters hooked on "free" healthcare, and when the exchanges inevitably imploded single payer would be the next step. You have millions who are takers, they think it's great. They're paying subsidized rates and racking up gigantic medical bills they couldn't otherwise afford. They can't see the cost to the country because in their small worldview the system works. They don't consider the mechanism for making their care "affordable". The people paying $10k for a $6,500 deductible plan are fewer. That's why you're going to have these vocal groups at town halls, the people who are making out simply outnumber those getting screwed directly. The rest is deficit spending that no one sees.
 
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