Republicans Time to Grow Up and Move to the Center or Die.

[Sudden Impact]

Somethings have to change. We need to move towards the Center or we will die on the vine. I am sorry if you cannot deal with that and it is the stubborness that will kill the party without movement.

Things that are gone and may never return as solid platforms of the far Right wing of the Republican Party are the following:

Racial Indifferences
Reagan Economics
No Government Involvement
The Ability to push "the Sky is Falling Issues' or Mudslinging.
Politics as a Bloodsport and avoidance of the Issues.
Ultra Conservatism as practiced by the ultra right wing.

Accept the Responsibility or Bush's Failures or this Party's failures and help fix them versus handed them off.

This is a power shift to the center. If we do not convert from a less the conservative side to a more moderate side we will die.

I am a Republican and have been. I have seen so much on this board and expected it because of this state. Faceit this day is gone but not lost.

MCCain ran the worse campaign I have ever witnessed. His staff has no clue and we must realize that there were two candidates on the Republican Party Ticket. Palin and McCain. She never represented what this country wanted or needed as a leader.

It was not John MCain but the base and moderates fighting. He knew it early on and we need to give him credit. He could not convince the base to move more toward the center. We still have great Leaders in Congress and in Washington. Lamar Alexander for one. Fred Thompson for another. Bill Frist will be our next Governor. Others that will always put the Country First before they do their Party.

A lot died last night in the Republican Party and it is time to cut the losses and move on. We need to do it in a way that we address the issues and not the scare tactics of old. If we do not the Republican Party will slowly go into extinction.

 

[droski]

McCain did run a horrible campaign no question. His problem was trying to be too moderate. If rove had run the campaign McCain would be president.

The problem is not the republican ideals which have worked just fine getting people elected for the past 20 years. The problem is george bush, just like it was when carter got elected because of Nixon. I think the next president after carter showed pretty clearly that you can win with republican ideals.

 

[dantheman617]

Both sides need to move to the middle

 

[droski]

Bush in 04 showed pretty clearly that the right wing votes and will come out in numbers if they think they are being represented.

 

[cd12]

The Repubs need to stop reaching across the isle! It seems to always be a one way street.

 

[Sudden Impact]

McCain did run a horrible campaign no question. His problem was trying to be too moderate. If rove had run the campaign McCain would be president.

The problem is not the republican ideals which have worked just fine getting people elected for the past 20 years. The problem is george bush, just like it was when carter got elected because of Nixon. I think the next president after carter showed pretty clearly that you can win with republican ideals.

Rove was involved and Karl Rove several times he stated that this was over the top.

It is ok believe what you will but this crap is passing you by. Live in the History and talk about the Carter administration and claim the the Gunslinger of the mud was not involved. This is exactly what the point is in this thread. The voters that made a difference in the campaign have no Idea who Carter or Nixon were and history cannot feel. Backwards thinking and not moving forward is what got us into this mess.

 

[utvolpj]

I will never change my view that less gov't involvement is a good thing. But of course in the new America it does look like that idea is dead

 

[utvolpj]

Rove was involved and Karl Rove several times he stated that this was over the top.

It is ok believe what you will but this crap is passing you by. Live in the History and talk about the Carter administration and claim the the Gunslinger of the mud was not involved. This is exactly what the point is in this thread. The voters that made a difference in the campaign have no Idea who Carter or Nixon were and history cannot feel. Backwards thinking and not moving forward is what got us into this mess.

and that's a positive? How does a less educated electorate benefit the US?

 

[Sudden Impact]

Bush in 04 showed pretty clearly that the right wing votes and will come out in numbers if they think they are being represented.

That was then and this is now. Hang on to history but it will not get you the votes in the future. The Republican party is split right now and it needs to circle the wagons to move forward. Meeting is scheduled by the leadership on Thursday of this week.

 

[Vol Mania 21]

Somethings have to change. We need to move towards the Center

Things that are gone and may never return as solid platforms of the far Right wing of the Republican Party are the following:

Racial Indifferences
Reagan Economics
No Government Involvement
The Ability to push "the Sky is Falling Issues' or Mudslinging.
Politics as a Bloodsport and avoidance of the Issues.
Ultra Conservatism as practiced by the ultra right wing.

Accept the Responsibility or Bush's Failures or this Party's failures and help fix them versus handed them off.

This is a power shift to the center. If we do not convert from a less the conservative side to a more moderate side we will die.

I am a Republican and have been. I have seen so much on this board and expected it because of this state. Faceit this day is gone but not lost.

MCCain ran the worse campaign I have ever witnessed. His staff has no clue and we must realize that there were two candidates on the Republican Party Ticket. Palin and McCain. She never represented what this country wanted or needed as a leader.

It was not John MCain but the base and moderates fighting. He knew it early on and we need to give him credit. He could not convince the base to move more toward the center. We still have great Leaders in Congress and in Washington. Lamar Alexander for one. Fred Thompson for another. Bill Frist will be our next Governor. Others that will always put the Country First before they do their Party.

A lot died last night in the Republican Party and it is time to cut the losses and move on. We need to do it in a way that we address the issues and not the scare tactics of old. If we do not the Republican Party will slowly go into extinction.

i'm a conservative, not a repub. sorry my morals don't let me move towards the middle. and how is electing obama a move towards the center? the most liberal senator is in the middle? you are mistaken my friend. 4 yrs from now there will be another shift, watch and see

 

[MontereyVol]

I will never change my view that less gov't involvement is a good thing. But of course in the new America it does look like that idea is dead

This is all cyclical, in four to eight years it will swing strongly back to the Republicans. My hope is that the new party will be better and go back to their core principles and get religion out of politics.

 

[Headed For Home]

McCain did run a horrible campaign no question. His problem was trying to be too moderate. If rove had run the campaign McCain would be president.

The problem is not the republican ideals which have worked just fine getting people elected for the past 20 years. The problem is george bush, just like it was when carter got elected because of Nixon. I think the next president after carter showed pretty clearly that you can win with republican ideals.

Exactly. Many of those who voted for BHO did not even know any of the issues, but were voting against Bush. Conservative ideas are not dead and are not drying up, though the far left is more open about their platform and more vocal than they have ever been. Conservatives can and will revive the Republican party. Someone, anyone please step up to be the leader that has been missing from the party.

 

[Sudden Impact]

and that's a positive? How does a less educated electorate benefit the US?

Never said it did. You do not need an education to vote in this country and this is not about Politics anymore. It is becoming a Movement. I do not think education is coming into play here.

 

[UT IE 95]

I will never change my view that less gov't involvement is a good thing. But of course in the new America it does look like that idea is dead

We are very apathetic to a candidate saying they will cut government involvement. We've been told that lie too many times to actually believe it.

 

[utvolpj]

We are very apathetic to a candidate saying they will cut government involvement. We've been told that lie too many times to actually believe it.

true but I am still holding out for someone who will actually do it. I think it will be a very key idea in 4 years.

 

[Sudden Impact]

i'm a conservative, not a repub. sorry my morals don't let me move towards the middle. and how is electing obama a move towards the center? the most liberal senator is in the middle? you are mistaken my friend. 4 yrs from now there will be another shift, watch and see

Wait and see what Centering takes place by both sides. Truly believe that the Extremes of both sides are going to have to center more. The Republicans miss the boat this time and there are many reasons.

 

[droski]

That was then and this is now. Hang on to history but it will not get you the votes in the future. The Republican party is split right now and it needs to circle the wagons to move forward. Meeting is scheduled by the leadership on Thursday of this week.

That was 4 years ago. The country has not gone far left in 4 years. George Bush happened. Let's not forget that the country is AGING which generally means a shift to the right.

 

[Sudden Impact]

true but I am still holding out for someone who will actually do it. I think it will be a very key idea in 4 years.

I do believe that the country wants More Government Involvement right now. However, I have always said be careful what you ask for because you just might get it.

I think it will be a disaster and to many people expecting handouts, but you cannot change this type of thought process overnight and especially with the Youth Vote.

 

[utvolpj]

I do believe that the country wants More Government Involvement right now. However, I have always said be careful what you ask for because you just might get it.

I think it will be a disaster and to many people expecting handouts, but you cannot change this type of thought process overnight and especially with the Youth Vote.

which goes completely against what built this country. Again it goes back to an educated country and sadly we fail at that. People want to be told what to think as this election has shown us

 

[Sudden Impact]

That was 4 years ago. The country has not gone far left in 4 years. George Bush happened. Let's not forget that the country is AGING which generally means a shift to the right.

It has not moved to the far left but on the whole it has moved closer to the center than ever before. You must give a hand to the Democrats because they got a very liberal individual elected. He sold the Center issues and sold it while the right wing of the Republican Party was in a crisis of identity.

 

[droski]

You have to give a hand to george bush. only george bush could get a socialist elected president in this country.

 

[Sudden Impact]

This is all cyclical, in four to eight years it will swing strongly back to the Republicans. My hope is that the new party will be better and go back to their core principles and get religion out of politics.

Hate to tell you but the right wing base of the Republicans is based on the Religion and the personal attacks of those who do not follow their belief value systems.

 

[droski]

Right no one on the left ever personally attacked bush or palin. . .oh wait.

 

[Sudden Impact]

You have to give a hand to george bush. only george bush could get a socialist elected president in this country.

I think there is a lot of youth out and old that feels like the Government owes them a life, a job and fine style of living without earning or working or scarifacing for it. The old are scare to death thinking they have earned it but will not see it before they die.

 

[volinbham]

The way I see it is that Repubs in Congress and the WH lost their way. They became pork barrel, big-spending, excessive use of power folks that turned off both the base and the middle.

The conservative ideas haven't died - they haven't been practiced. Couple that with the economic meltdown and a loss was inevitable.

The ideas of small govt., strong defense, and fiscal responsibility will still sell. The Repubs just forgot to practice them. Some were abandoned (1 and 3) and the other was done to excess (2).