Republicans Time to Grow Up and Move to the Center or Die.

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volinbham said:
The way I see it is that Repubs in Congress and the WH lost their way. They became pork barrel, big-spending, excessive use of power folks that turned off both the base and the middle.

The conservative ideas haven't died - they haven't been practiced. Couple that with the economic meltdown and a loss was inevitable.

The ideas of small govt., strong defense, and fiscal responsibility will still sell. The Repubs just forgot to practice them. Some were abandoned (1 and 3) and the other was done to excess (2).
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This entire premise is senseless. The freaking party needs to move back right and stay there. Bush's socialist economic practices killed him in the eyes of conservatives and McCain ran on a very heavily populist agenda.

Neither one of them even remotely espouses a limited government. The next guy that does has a shot. Until then, fiscal conservatives of my ilk are going to flee the party.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
We are very apathetic to a candidate saying they will cut government involvement. We've been told that lie too many times to actually believe it.
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Reagan did it and kept trying, even with Tip O the moron fighting him at every turn.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
This entire premise is senseless. The freaking party needs to move back right and stay there. Bush's socialist economic practices killed him in the eyes of conservatives and McCain ran on a very heavily populist agenda.

Neither one of them even remotely espouses a limited government. The next guy that does has a shot. Until then, fiscal conservatives of my ilk are going to flee the party.
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It is to an old fart like you and me. If the youth continue to vote and change the core of this country's base, then the core base of the Republican Party will fade.

A majority of the Youth in this country do not understand what sariface, patience and hard work earns today or what rewards they bring when practiced.

A majority of the youth in this country does not want to sariface, work or earn their keep. When giving the choice do you want it Right or do you want it Right Now, they chose the Right Now approach without any knowledge of the consequences.
 
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Headed For Home said:
Exactly. Many of those who voted for BHO did not even know any of the issues, but were voting against Bush. Conservative ideas are not dead and are not drying up, though the far left is more open about their platform and more vocal than they have ever been. Conservatives can and will revive the Republican party. Someone, anyone please step up to be the leader that has been missing from the party.
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:lolabove:

Much like many of the right wing posters on this board
 
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BigPapaVol said:
This entire premise is senseless. The freaking party needs to move back right and stay there. Bush's socialist economic practices killed him in the eyes of conservatives and McCain ran on a very heavily populist agenda.

Neither one of them even remotely espouses a limited government. The next guy that does has a shot. Until then, fiscal conservatives of my ilk are going to flee the party.
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This is exactly right, the party will move to the right, its who will be the new voices to take it forward. McCain couldn't be more centrist, and where did that get him, he was supposed to bring in the independents, and Puma's. What pushed him up in the poles was his move to the right, not the center. Its about the message.
 
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How did those votes on gay marriages go last night?

The country as a whole is still conservative but this was a vote against Bush and for making history.

I remember the Dems were "dead" four years ago. It's all cyclical, anyone who says other is not accurately looking at history.

It's very hard to have 12 years of the same party in the Oval Office, bottom line.
 
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droski said:
Bush in 04 showed pretty clearly that the right wing votes and will come out in numbers if they think they are being represented.
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Bush showed us time and time again what NOT to do, that's about it.
 
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Headed For Home said:
Exactly. Many of those who voted for BHO did not even know any of the issues, but were voting against Bush.
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You can blame J McCain and Palin for that. 90% of their speeches were focused on BO and not the issues. When they threw them out as "Joe the Plumber" Crap. Indiania, FL, Va, Ohio and PA should tell us how this type of campaigning isn't working anymore. Gimmicks and BS and not addressing the issues.
 
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OWB said:
Bush showed us time and time again what NOT to do, that's about it.
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Hate to tell you he contributed but he is not the sole blame. Stick the Head in the Sand. We have got some serious internal issues.
 
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iceman9 said:
This is exactly right, the party will move to the right, its who will be the new voices to take it forward. McCain couldn't be more centrist, and where did that get him, he was supposed to bring in the independents, and Puma's. What pushed him up in the poles was his move to the right, not the center. Its about the message.
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A move more to the Right leaves out two formidable vote blocks in this country. Youth and Blacks. Cannot win an election without a majority in one of those groups.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
A move more to the Right leaves out two formidable vote blocks in this country. Youth and Blacks. Cannot win an election without a majority in one of those groups.
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virtually every other election for the past 200 years says you are wrong.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
A move more to the Right leaves out two formidable vote blocks in this country. Youth and Blacks. Cannot win an election without a majority in one of those groups.
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Then you have to reach out and present your message. What they're no blacks or young repulicans? What do these few hear that others don't? We've had 8 years of a President who moved closer and closer to the center, and where are we now? A President who bowed to Democrats on issues he didn't have the passion or the will to fight for. Sorry, but I don't believe you stop doing right because its not in vogue at the time. I'll wait 2 years when we have double digit inflation, and double digit un-employment, and read how David Brooks feels then.
 
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JZVOL said:
I remember the Dems were "dead" four years ago. It's all cyclical, anyone who says other is not accurately looking at history.
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Look at history and you will find several parties have died out because of the issues and a lack of adjustments. IMO Right now we are at the crossroads.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Look at history and you will find several parties have died out because of the issues and a lack of adjustments. IMO Right now we are at the crossroads.
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the fiscal conservative, strong military, limited government movement is not at a crossroads or remotely dead. Whether the Republican party gets that is a different animal, but someone is going to get that right.

Hell, I'm considering moving back to TN to run for the House on exactly that platform. Then I'm taking it to the Senate.

BPV for House 2010.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
the fiscal conservative, strong military, limited government movement is not at a crossroads or remotely dead. Whether the Republican party gets that is a different animal, but someone is going to get that right.

Hell, I'm considering moving back to TN to run for the House on exactly that platform. Then I'm taking it to the Senate.

BPV for House 2010.
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Seriously? If you do let me know. I would be more than happy to help you accomplish this in my spare time.
 
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iceman9 said:
Then you have to reach out and present your message. What they're no blacks or young repulicans? What do these few hear that others don't? We've had 8 years of a President who moved closer and closer to the center, and where are we now? A President who bowed to Democrats on issues he didn't have the passion or the will to fight for. Sorry, but I don't believe you stop doing right because its not in vogue at the time. I'll wait 2 years when we have double digit inflation, and double digit un-employment, and read how David Brooks feels then.
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He may have moved but the rest of the staff and congress did not. History may repeat itself but I do believe give the Dems a shot and see what happens. It is not the end of the world like some Right Wingers would want us to believe. I cannot nor will not hope or wish for Failure because I do not agree with them. Sometimes you have to think outside the box and to not allow this process of Democracy to go through it borders Treason. Wish him well and move on to live and fight another day. Right now to wish failure on him is to wish failure on America. After all He is the President so lets continue to pick at him and not make any process for us or the Dems.
 
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Moving to the Center is what we did wrong. When you run a moderate against a Marxist this is what you get "no clear choice".. Big Government or Bigger Government. Socialism or Marxism. We are now "Handout America" a nation promote welfare for everyone.

Republicans need to return to the Reagan Principles. And we will.
 
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KB5252 said:
Seriously? If you do let me know. I would be more than happy to help you accomplish this in my spare time.
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I had a long serious conversation about it this morning with a guy that I respect a load and who believes it to be a viable idea.

Not sure I want the pain involved, but I do find it intriguing.

Mind you, I'm not the partisan for real that I am on this board. I just don't care a lick about the freaking conservative social value driven issues. That would hurt.
 
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KYVolFan said:
Moving to the Center is what we did wrong. When you run a moderate against a Marxist this is what you get "no clear choice".. Big Government or Bigger Government. Socialism or Marxism. We are now "Handout America" a nation promote welfare for everyone.

Republicans need to return to the Reagan Principles. And we will.
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I agree in part........ Obama will run to the center.

Bush has done more for big government than any president in history.
 
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