Richmond is taking down Confederate statues: Is this the end for other Confederate memorials?

[Weezer]

MLK is billed by you and the Myth Makers as the paragon of morality and virtue. A true man of God.

But reality is a nasty monster. MLK, a man of God, a pastor, visited PROSTITUTES on a frequent basis, and is on tape speaking some of the most VILE things about women that a man can utter.

MLK the NON-VIOLENT civil rights leader? When he visited communities to protest, he would always spout the perfunctory call for non-violence, knowing full well that there would be violence.

DR Martin Luther King PLAGIARIZED his doctoral thesis, so even his title is a sham. Why has be been allowed to get away with his thievery?

Should King's statues be removed, or should the fantasy about him continue?

He was a human that had faults. Find me one that doesn't. That does not change what he fought for, and how he fought for it, which wasn't through violence. Do you want to list all your sins while calling out MLK for his?

 

[Delmar]

MLK is billed by you and the Myth Makers as the paragon of morality and virtue. A true man of God.

But reality is a nasty monster. MLK, a man of God, a pastor, visited PROSTITUTES on a frequent basis, and is on tape speaking some of the most VILE things about women that a man can utter.

MLK the NON-VIOLENT civil rights leader? When he visited communities to protest, he would always spout the perfunctory call for non-violence, knowing full well that there would be violence.

DR Martin Luther King PLAGIARIZED his doctoral thesis, so even his title is a sham. Why has be been allowed to get away with his thievery?

Should King's statues be removed, or should the fantasy about him continue?

No question MLK had his share of selective morality. That is well known. But visiting hookers and on tape saying vile things about women. My my, who else do we know like that? And yet, many of you can’t get enough of his special brand of lunacy and are very willing to overlook his gutter rat morals and ethics. Hypocrisy anyone?

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Oh no, not PROSTITUTES. That's pretty similar to fighting a war to protect slavery

David Garrow, the Pulitzer Prize-winning biographer of Martin Luther King Jr., has unearthed information that may forever change King’s legacy.

In an 8,000-word article published in the British periodical Standpoint Magazine on May 30, Garrow details the contents of FBI memos he discovered after spending weeks sifting through more than 54,000 documents located on the National Archive’s website. Initially sealed by court order until 2027, the documents ended up being made available in recent months through the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992.

The most damaging memos describe King witnessing a rape in a hotel room. Instead of stopping it, handwritten notes in the file say he encouraged the attacker to continue.

If these FBI memos are accurate – and I have good reason to believe they are – we now have to ask the unthinkable: Was King an abuser? And what might this mean for his legacy?

Soon after King’s death, several members of his inner circle, including Ralph Abernathy, started publicly discussing King’s philandering.

At the time, many justified his behavior by saying it was no different from the biblical David writing his psalms by day, only to be relieved at night by his concubines. Others pursued a line of defense extended to John F. Kennedy: What someone does in their own time isn’t the public’s business.

Garrow had outlined several of King’s marital infelicities in his 1986 biography of King. But he often spared the names of the women involved to protect their identities. Finally, in 2010, Kentucky State Sen. Georgia Davis Powers recounted her intimate relationship with King in her book “I Shared the Dream.”

But what has just emerged takes things to a whole new level: It now seems that King failed to stop a RAPE.

The memos show that agents knew that King and a group including Baltimore Pastor Logan Kearse were going to be staying at the Willard Hotel in January 1964 days before he ever arrived.

By bugging the room, they were able to listen in on King and at least 11 others participated in what the FBI memos describe as “an orgy” on Jan. 6, 1964.

The microphones also picked up activities from the night before, when Kearse, who died in 1991, allegedly sexually assaulted one of his parishioners. According to the memos, King was in the room. The handwritten note indicates that King didn’t just observe the assault – he laughed.

Worse, instead of trying to stop the incident, the memos say King apparently offered advice to the perpetrator, encouraging the abuse.

I'm an MLK scholar – and I'll never be able to view King in the same light

 

[NashVol11]

In an 8,000-word article published in the British periodical Standpoint Magazine on May 30, Garrow details the contents of FBI memos he discovered after spending weeks sifting through more than 54,000 documents located on the National Archive’s website. Initially sealed by court order until 2027, the documents ended up being made available in recent months through the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992.

If these FBI memos are accurate – and I have good reason to believe they are – we now have to ask the unthinkable: Was King an abuser? And what might this mean for his legacy?

Oh, you mean COINTELPRO? If so, the "good reason" bit is garbage

 

[Tyler Durden]

No question MLK had his share of selective morality. That is well known. But visiting hookers and on tape saying vile things about women. My my, who else do we know like that? And yet, many of you can’t get enough of his special brand of lunacy and are very willing to overlook his gutter rat morals and ethics. Hypocrisy anyone?

How can it be hypocritical when one of them is black?
/thread

 

[AirVol]

Went to Stone Mountain, GA a couple of years ago, saw quite a lot of black folks looking in awe at the sculpture on the mountain and doing the selfie pic thingy. Never heard any of them mention it should be blown to smithereens.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Oh, you mean COINTELPRO? If so, the "good reason" bit is garbage

DR Martin Luther King JR had a conversation he which he discussed which women among his parishioners would be suitable for natural and unnatural sex acts.

 

[Jravol78]

The unscientific answer is that the coding on y’all’s posts is jacked up. Likely, one of you edited a post wrong and accidentally changed the HTML code that gets put in a post when you quote somebody. That creates a mess when somebody else quotes the post. I had to edit the code to make it quote you in this post. If you change a character in the format, chaos happens lol.

thanks

 

[DinkinFlicka]

DR Martin Luther King JR had a conversation he which he discussed which women among his parishioners would be suitable for natural and unnatural sex acts.

So, why doesn't this discount the President's morality in your pious eyes?

 

[MontyPython]

Lol someone went to public school

UT highest honors chump.

 

[MontyPython]

I made no mention on Lincoln's thoughts on slavery. You're deflecting. I said he thought blacks inferior, which he did. He said as much in speeches he gave. That's called racism, right?

And I didn't peddle a false narrative about the border states. They were excluded from the Emancipation Proclamation. The Thirteenth Amendment did abolish slavery, but was not proposed by Lincoln, but by Congress. Lincoln decided to support the Amendment, but there's some evidence that was him following the political winds.

Try this on for size: I think Bama is an inferior school, but I wouldn't try to make them my slaves. Capiche?

 

[Franklin Pierce]

So, why doesn't this discount the President's morality in your pious eyes?

...less pruriently—that King continued taking money from his onetime ally Stanley Levison, a Communist party member, even after he was supposed to have broken off ties.

 

[1972 Grad]

UT highest honors chump.

In Herpetology?

 

[csmize]

So, why doesn't this discount the President's morality in your pious eyes?

Classic straw man argument. You may want to seek help.

 

[hog88]

UT highest honors chump.

LOL

Never took a history class.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Classic straw man argument. You may want to seek help.

Oh, I need help? I must be mistaken. I thought I was discrediting the argument that because MLK had questionable personal morals when it came to women, that the very basis of the Civil Rights movement was a farce.

Both of you can get bent.

 

[Jravol78]

I wonder if trying to rush and or gain unauthorized access to the White House could be interpreted as an act of treason ? Is a group of people attempting to engage the secret service in battle with verbal and physical threats an act of treason? Is trying to burn down the Metro Courthouse in Nashville treasonous? If someone were to set fire to a national landmark with the express purpose of drawing federal law enforcement agents into battle an act of treason ? By definition they certainly could be .

I will agree that by the textbook definition the CSA committed acts of treason. The acts of the colonist against England were treasonous.

The funny thing about definitions is that unless changed by old man Webster they remain and are applicable in any discussion or debate . The definition does not concern itself with whether or not the topic of debate occurred in 1776 or 1860 or even last week .

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Oh, I need help? I must be mistaken. I thought I was discrediting the argument that because MLK had questionable personal morals when it came to women, that the very basis of the Civil Rights movement was a farce.

Both of you can get bent.

In Memphis, on April 3, 1968, the night before he was killed, the "reverend" "DR" King spent the night, not with his wife, Corretta, but instead with one of his Mistresses.

 

[clarksvol00]

Classic straw man argument. You may want to seek help.

I believe MLK is being discussed on this thread because somebody used a statue of MLK as a strawman argument to advocate leaving the confederate statues up.

 

[NashVol11]

I wonder if trying to rush and or gain unauthorized access to the White House could be interpreted as an act of treason ? Is a group of people attempting to engage the secret service in battle with verbal and physical threats an act of treason? Is trying to burn down the Metro Courthouse in Nashville treasonous? If someone were to set fire to a national landmark with the express purpose of drawing federal law enforcement agents into battle an act of treason ? By definition they certainly could be .

I will agree that by the textbook definition the CSA committed acts of treason. The acts of the colonist against England were treasonous.

The funny thing about definitions is that unless changed by old man Webster they remain and are applicable in any discussion or debate . The definition does not concern itself with whether or not the topic of debate occurred in 1776 or 1860 or even last week .

Comparing these protestors to Confederate soldiers is a stretch even for here. And no protestors have statues

 

[hog88]

Comparing these protestors to Confederate soldiers is a stretch even for here. And no protestors have statues

There are statues of several Sons of Liberty.

 

[sammyhagar]

Went to Stone Mountain, GA a couple of years ago, saw quite a lot of black folks looking in awe at the sculpture on the mountain and doing the selfie pic thingy. Never heard any of them mention it should be blown to smithereens.

Wow man. Is this your anecdotal evidence that black people want confederate statues to stay? Were they really looking "in awe"?

JFC. Get a grip, people.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

I believe MLK is being discussed on this thread because somebody used a statue of MLK as a strawman argument to advocate leaving the confederate statues up.

The Cultural Marxists are justifying the removal of Confederate statues based on MORALITY. Therefore, every single monument to King should be removed.

Not everyone, however, has been so judicious in putting these FBI documents into context. Standpoint published a companion editorial to Garrow’s piece asserting that “the wiretaps reveal [King] to be the Harvey Weinstein of the civil rights movement.” That analogy is absurd. For one thing, King himself isn’t said to have assaulted women (although “offering advice”—whatever that might mean—to a friend committing a rape certainly comes close).

How to Make Sense of the Shocking New MLK Documents

 

[NEO]

I am sure all things related to President Jackson are in the sights of the Bolsheviks. Remember this; they have only begun what will be a continuous assault on all things Southern and American.

Read up on the Chinese Cultural Revolution led by Chairman Mao, and you will have a better understanding of what is taking place inside the United States.

Love the south but we were on the wrong side of humanity during that time and while it is a part of our history and needs to be taught it is the equivalent of honoring Hitler and the SS in many ways.

There were many nazi troops who werent neccesarily for killing Jews but they still fought for the love of their country....they were still on the wrong side of humanity though and they dont deserve a statue.

With that said, the north would have been the same way if it wasn't factory based. The north was no less racist in many areas but had a totally different economy.

I am literally neutral on this statue thing but I can see people who are black wanting statues torn down that are of men who fought to keep them in slavery.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Love the south but we were on the wrong side of humanity during that time and while it is a part of our history and needs to be taught it is the equivalent of honoring Hitler and the SS in many ways.

There were many nazi troops who werent neccesarily for killing Jews but they still fought for the love of their country....they were still on the wrong side of humanity though and they dont deserve a statue.

With that said, the north would have been the same way if it wasn't factory based. The north was no less racist in many areas but had a totally different economy.

I am literally neutral on this statue thing but I can see people who are black wanting statues torn down that are of men who fought to keep them in slavery.

The most deadly Riot in American history were the New York City draft riots in July 1863, which turned into a race riot.

In 1861 there were officials who wanted to declare New York City Independent of Albany and Washington, DC.