Richmond is taking down Confederate statues: Is this the end for other Confederate memorials?

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zeppelin128 said:
It is an interesting question I haven't seen much about. With the bases being federal property and all, I suspect the local or state governments probably wouldn't get a say.
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Just be sure to choose something that is actually woke instead of making false assumptions.
 
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Happy Birthday Confederate Brig. General Thomas Fentress Toon (June 10, 1840)

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hog88 said:
So many of our great historical figures that have done so much for humanity were terribly flawed. So if you can't separate their flaws from their accomplishments you are only hurting yourself.
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Underrated post, imo.

It's a very damn sad state of affairs that people cannot understand that ALL individuals are flawed in some way.

This is a pretty high bar.

It might just be that studying history is a way to learn about and hopefully learn from the flaws and mistakes and the accomplishments of individuals, societies, or whatever. I'm not naive enough to think that "learning about the past will help us avoid making the same mistakes yada yada." But if we filter out everything we find objectionable through our contemporary lenses, pretty soon there'll be no history left to read or write.

But, hey, I guess social media will still be around and fill the void of the new reality.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Aside from the Confed fans we still have kicking around, the simplest answer to most is getting rid of them
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Are we getting rid of all statues of individuals paid for and maintained by the American people? If so, I can get behind that.

Now, If someone wants a statue that they pay for and it isn't on public land then its none of my business.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Trump tweeted that he "will not even consider" renaming military bases named after Confederate leaders. I'll leave that for others to argue about, but I'm curious as to process on this. Who gets the final call to rename (or not rename) said bases?
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It would probably take a bill in congress to be passed and then signed by the president.

It would cost hundreds of millions of dollars to rename them.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Ah, got ya.
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It's why I engaged with Carlos. I find it odd to be replacing slave owning confederates with slave owning genocidists(is that a word?) From the north.

It spoke of the partisanship we are so deeply in bed with today. Dont use the name of their bad guys, use the name of our bad guys.
 
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hog88 said:
It would probably take a bill in congress to be passed and then signed by the president.

It would cost hundreds of millions of dollars to rename them.
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Found this:
What is the process for renaming bases?
"The decision to name (or rename) installations falls to the assistant secretary of the Army for manpower and reserve affairs — an office currently held by retired Army officer Casey Wardynski. In the mid-2000s, Wardynski developed a video game called “America’s Army” while serving on the faculty at West Point. Army guidance directs that installation names be relevant to their surrounding areas.
The Army had no comment on the president’s declaration when reached by phone Wednesday afternoon. There is no requirement for politicians or the White House to approve Army base name changes, though it’s unclear if the service will still consider the move following the president’s tweets."

Surprises me that one person has that kind of authority.

The Army Was Open to Replacing Confederate Base Names. Then Trump Said No.
 
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LouderVol said:
Why so much money? Just the rebranding?
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A few years ago TN did away with the restrictions on firearms and booze in state parks yet the signs are still up saying both are banned. I asked a Ranger about that and he said just taking down the signs statewide was estimated to cost a little over a million dollars so the bill that was passed to allow booze and guns stipulated no money could be spent taking down the signs.

If just taking down those metal signs was 7 figures imagine what it would cost for new signage, redoing postal codes, letterhead, stationary, all of the parking stickers, and everything else that says Fort XYZ on a major Amy base.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Found this:
What is the process for renaming bases?
"The decision to name (or rename) installations falls to the assistant secretary of the Army for manpower and reserve affairs — an office currently held by retired Army officer Casey Wardynski. In the mid-2000s, Wardynski developed a video game called “America’s Army” while serving on the faculty at West Point. Army guidance directs that installation names be relevant to their surrounding areas.
The Army had no comment on the president’s declaration when reached by phone Wednesday afternoon. There is no requirement for politicians or the White House to approve Army base name changes, though it’s unclear if the service will still consider the move following the president’s tweets."

Surprises me that one person has that kind of authority.

The Army Was Open to Replacing Confederate Base Names. Then Trump Said No.
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That does sound odd.
 
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hog88 said:
A few years ago TN did away with the restrictions on firearms and booze in state parks yet the signs are still up saying both are banned. I asked a Ranger about that and he said just taking down the signs statewide was estimated to cost a little over a million dollars so the bill that was passed to allow booze and guns stipulated no money could be spent taking down the signs.

If just taking down those metal signs was 7 figures imagine what it would cost for new signage, redoing postal codes, letterhead, stationary, all of the parking stickers, and everything else that says Fort XYZ on a major Amy base.
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It's scary to think about.
 
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