Richmond is taking down Confederate statues: Is this the end for other Confederate memorials?

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Tyler Durden said:
How bout we compromise. You can have your Confederate statue as long as there's a statue of a Taliban or Al-Qaeda member next to it? It's like peas and carrots!
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As I said before, unintelligent comparison. And you're assuming I give a damn about Confederate statues. Once upon a time I did, but age has taught me statues really don't mean that much. So I have no problem with their removal as long as it's a community decision.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
Are you trying to say all Muslims are/were in the Taliban or Al-Qaeda?
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I suggest you work on reading comprehension. I compared you to those who think all Muslims are evil. That's the level you are sinking to when you decide it's okay for you to decide who does and does not belong.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
How bout we compromise. You can have your Confederate statue as long as there's a statue of a Taliban or Al-Qaeda member next to it? It's like peas and carrots!
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I dgaf if they put up statues of Hitler, Pol Pot, Chairman Mao, Mussolini, and John Wayne Gacy in the courthouse square. They won't affect me in the least. You must be a candy ass if a statue bothers you.
 
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U.S. Apologizes to India After Rioters Deface Statue of Gandhi

The U.S. ambassador to India apologized to the country on Wednesday for the vandalism of a Mahatma Gandhi statue in front of the Indian Embassy in Washington, DC, by violent rioters this week, the Times of India (TOI) reported on Thursday.

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The extent of the damage to the statue of Gandhi – an icon of peaceful and non-violent protest – remains unknown, though D.C. locals told Asian News International (ANI) that “some unruly elements of the Black Lives Matter protesters graffitied Gandhi’s statue with profanities” using spray paint. Authorities believe the defacement took place on the night of June 2 amid ongoing protests and riots in the federal city and across the nation sparked by the death last week of George Floyd while in police custody in the state of Minnesota.

The act of vandalism prompted the Indian Embassy to notify the U.S. State Department of the attack and to register a formal complaint with local law enforcement agencies, who say an investigation into the incident has begun.

“Mahatma Gandhi’s statue outside the Indian Embassy in Washington D.C. desecrated by unruly elements of #BlackLivesMatter protesters. Sources tell ANI that United States Park Police have launched an investigation, more details awaited,” ANI wrote on Twitter on Wednesday.

Responding to the attack on Wednesday, U.S. Ambassador to India Ken Juster apologized to the Indian Embassy on Twitter: “So sorry to see the desecration of the Gandhi statue in Washington, DC. Please accept our sincere apologies.”

According to the report, the statue of Gandhi is “one of the few statues of a foreign leader on [U.S.] federal land in Washington D.C.” and was dedicated in 2000 by the Prime Minister of India at the time, Atal Bihari Vajpayee, in the presence of then-U.S. President Bill Clinton during Vajpayee’s state visit to the U.S.

U.S. Apologizes to India After Rioters Deface Statue of Gandhi
 
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Weezer said:
I suggest you work on reading comprehension. I compared you to those who think all Muslims are evil. That's the level you are sinking to when you decide it's okay for you to decide who does and does not belong.
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I was talking about the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, but for some reason you thought that meant all Muslims 🤔
 
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I live in Richmond. It’s been brewing for years to tear down the statues. There is a street here with several. I used to be on the side of wanting them to stay. And for all the usual reasons - those men were really brave, it’s history, they’re majestic, tearing them down won’t change anything, etc. I’ve had to really examine myself in recent years as to why I wanted them to stay. No longer though. Once you research when and why they were put up in the first place, any feelings of historical romantic nostalgia is replaced by bitter personal conviction. Or it should anyway.

What will it solve? Nothing. At least nothing immediately. But it’s a long overdue first step. If nothing else it’s a symbol of change. But real change starts from within, and that’s a much longer process.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
What is happening in America is patterned on the Chinese Cultural Revolution. The riots, the statues, etc. is only the beginning.

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Exactly. What is hilarious but not surprising is two places where slavery is still taking place today is China and Africa yet....they are two of the liberals favorite places. Let me know the first time o e of the woke mafia takes on Africa.
 
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Our country is full of ignorant people. And the government is doing all they can to keep it that way. They'll shift blame onto anything they can to keep people at odds with each other. This should be a community issue as was stated earlier. How can someone who lives in inner city New York understand what it's like to live in rural Tennessee or vice versa? We have become a country of "Think like I do, or you're wrong." I understand that the statues are offensive to some, but i also understand that there were men, real human beings that died fighting against this same government that is trying to tear us apart now. And there is a real sense of pride that comes with having the audacity to stand up and fight for what you believe in, even if you lose.
 
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The removal of the statues is only a small part of the Communist/Marxist revolution going on in America.

Washington Post Op-Ed Demands Ban on TV Shows and Movies About Police

Washington Post Op-Ed Demands Ban on TV Shows and Movies About Police

Black Lives Matter ‘What We Believe’ Page: ‘Disrupt The Western-Prescribed Nuclear Family,’ ‘Dismantle Cisgender Privilege’

What ideas does the group actually promote? In the opening paragraphs of the national group’s “What We Believe” page, the expressed mission is relatively straight-forward: working to expose and prevent police brutality, unjust deaths at the hands of vigilantes, and general racism endangering black lives.

We are self-reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege and uplift Black trans folk, especially Black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence.

We build a space that affirms Black women and is free from sexism, misogyny, and environments in which men are centered.

We practice empathy. We engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts.

We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).​
“We call for an end to the systemic racism that allows this culture of corruption to go unchecked and our lives to be taken,” said the organization. “We call for a national defunding of police. We demand investment in our communities and the resources to ensure Black people not only survive, but thrive. If you’re with us, add your name to the petition right now and help us spread the word.”

Black Lives Matter ‘What We Believe’ Page: ‘Disrupt The Western-Prescribed Nuclear Family,’ ‘Dismantle Cisgender Privilege’
 
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VolStrom said:
You're no better than the trash I see looting stores. Nothing ever changes with people like you, victimhood until the end.
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As a southerner with great great grandfathers on both sides of my family serving as Confederate officers, I celebrate neither the remembrance of the traitorous Confederacy nor the Army of Tennessee's humilating losses on the field of battle.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
As a southerner with great great grandfathers on both sides of my family serving as Confederate officers, I celebrate neither the remembrance of the traitorous Confederacy nor the Army of Tennessee's humilating losses on the field of battle.
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So? My family fought on the side of Union soldiers and I was born in the south, what does that make me?
 
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NashVol11 said:
Daughters of the Confederacy put up these and KKK statues in their “Lost Cause” push in the first half of the 20th century. There is absolutely nothing “historical” about these.
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They're historical in that they've been there a long time.
 
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MontyPython said:
The statue of Robert E. Lee has towered over Richmond for more than 100 years. In recent days, though, it's been conveying a different message - words like "Black lives matter" are covering its stone pedestal.

At least a hundred people gathered on a muggy Thursday afternoon near the monument to the Confederate commander after Gov. Ralph Northam announced it was to come down "as soon as possible."

Richmond isn't alone. Around the U.S, demonstrations over the death of Floyd and racial inequality have sparked both protesters and city officials to remove, deface or announce plans to take down many Confederate memorials.

While the decision in Richmond signals a positive step for those who want to see the monuments removed, experts warn that the push to take them down and address what sparked them to be erected still has a long way to go.

Among the locations where mayors, protesters and even groups dedicated to Confederate history have taken down statues or announced plans:

  • In Montgomery, Alabama, on Monday, another statue of Lee was toppled in front of its namesake high school. Cheers went up among a small crowd gathered to watch the fallen general as cars circled the area and honked.
  • In Birmingham, Alabama, Mayor Randall Woodfin ordered workers to take down a 50-foot-tall Confederate obelisk on Monday night after a group of protesters failed to knock it down. The night before, the group dismantled the brass cast of Charles Linn, a captain in the Confederate Navy, from its base.
  • The city of Mobile, Alabama, removed a bronze figure of Admiral Raphael Semmes early Friday, without making any public announcement. Semmes was a Confederate commerce raider, sinking Union-allied ships during the Civil War, and the statue had become a flashpoint in the city.
  • Indianapolis Mayor Joe Hogsett announced Thursday that a monument dedicated to Confederate soldiers who died at a Union prison camp in the city will be removed from a park.
  • A statue outside the Tennessee State Capitol of Edward Carmack, a controversial former lawmaker and newspaper publisher who espoused racist views, was torn down Saturday.
  • The United Daughters of the Confederacy removed a statue of a soldier gazing south in Alexandria, Virginia, on Tuesday.
  • The Arkansas division of the United Daughters of the Confederacy also announced that a Confederate soldier monument in Bentonville will be removed from the downtown square and relocated to a private park.
Richmond is taking down Confederate statues: Is this the end for other Confederate memorials?

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There is appropriate places for Confederate memorials. State capitols is not the place.
 
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My great great grandpappy fought Proudly for the Confederate States of America. He was captured by the yankees on a hot July day in 1864 in Virginia. Eventually transported to Point Lookout, Maryland, and eventually to the yankee prison in Elmira, New York.

In July of 1865 the yankee prison offered to release him if he took an oath of allegiance to the yankee government. He refused. He languished in prison with a few other Confederate prisoners of war until September of 1865 when the prison camp was closed and all remaining Confederate prisoners of war were released. They never took the yankee oath of allegiance.
 
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toeflood said:
I understand that the statues are offensive to some, but i also understand that there were men, real human beings that died fighting against this same government that is trying to tear us apart now. And there is a real sense of pride that comes with having the audacity to stand up and fight for what you believe in, even if you lose.
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The government doesn't tear people apart--the people that run it do.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
My great great grandpappy fought Proudly for the Confederate States of America. He was captured by the yankees on a hot July day in 1864 in Virginia. Eventually transported to Point Lookout, Maryland, and eventually to the yankee prison in Elmira, New York.

In July of 1865 the yankee prison offered to release him if he took an oath of allegiance to the yankee government. He refused. He languished in prison with a few other Confederate prisoners of war until September of 1865 when the prison camp was closed and all remaining Confederate prisoners of war were released. They never took the yankee oath of allegiance.
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Does it bother you now if somebody doesn't want to pledge allegiance to the yankee flag before school or before some public meeting?
 
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bamawriter said:
Memorials should remain on battlefields and confederate cemeteries. Monuments elsewhere should come down. Paticularly monuments to garbage humans like NB Forrest.

And while not Civil War related, I really wish Tennessee would stop lionizing the genocidal douchebag Andrew Jackson.
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When do you thugs go after the Hermitage?
 
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