Richmond is taking down Confederate statues: Is this the end for other Confederate memorials?

[OHvol40]

Used to be a proud southerner… but F it, take em all down. Robert E Lee means so little in my current life that I couldn’t literally care less.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I don't think any of the major politicians are socialists. However, if Biden or Bernie is labeled socialist then so is Trump and Bush.

How so?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Used to be a proud southerner… but F it, take em all down. Robert E Lee means so little in my current life that I couldn’t literally care less.

And your membership to the cancel culture childish club has been accepted.

 

[OHvol40]

And your membership to the cancel culture childish club has been accepted.

And the need to coddle your fragile sense of reality is duly noted.

 

[MurphyVol]

Wesley Norris, one of the slaves who was whipped, recalled that “not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done.”

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

And the need to coddle your fragile sense of reality is duly noted.

What fragile sense of reality? That people all of a sudden are offended by inanimate objects that have stood for decades and decades? That’s just calling it what it is. Ridiculous.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Wesley Norris, one of the slaves who was whipped, recalled that “not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done.”

I would be willing to bet there are even worse stories than that about what happened to slaves. Definitely one of the lowest points in humanity’s existence.

 

[VFFL@THE BEACH]

You are underestimating the federalists and the compromise of the Constitution. The states already tried to be free and independent. That experiment known as the articles of confederation failed.

The preamble, federalism and the bill of rights establish that states do have up absolute sovereignty. The states most certainly gave up certain powers when signing the constitution.

I would rather leave the slavery issue out of the discussion but since you opened the door.
Slavery is just the vehicle to prove the states no longer had absolute sovereignty. Slavery violates the Constitution. The south was willing to take over federal war supplies and leave the union over their perceived right to decide the slavery issue.

Once the south leaves the union then Lincoln could do whatever the hell he wanted to with the southern states. They left, became another nation, and were no longer afforded any Constitutional protection. He attacked after the states left not before.

 

[Velo Vol]

What culture is being destroyed? What a moron

He's just throwing a sop to aggrieved southern whites--his base. He probably couldn't tell you one battle Lee commanded in, other than Gettysburg.

 

[VFFL@THE BEACH]

I would be willing to bet there are even worse stories than that about what happened to slaves. Definitely one of the lowest points in humanity’s existence.

So why celebrate states that took up arms, in part to preserve their right to protect slavery.

Another point lost in this debate is when was the statue erected? Right after the civil war and you have a little bit of ground to stand on but 20 or 30 years later. No way, just a show of force and romanticizing the civil war.

 

[VFFL@THE BEACH]

Point out the parts that aren’t true, in what I posted .

Read my entire response.

 

[0nelilreb]

Read my entire response.

I did and you side stepped the question after berating me for posting it .

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

So why celebrate states that took up arms, in part to preserve their right to protect slavery.

Another point lost in this debate is when was the statue erected? Right after the civil war and you have a little bit of ground to stand on but 20 or 30 years later. No way, just a show of force and romanticizing the civil war.

A statue is nothing more than a historical reminder of what happened. No more no less.

Taking the statues down means nothing to me other than the fact it just shows how mentally weak a portion of Americans have become. Something offends you? Cancel it. It’s mainstream society these days.

 

[AshG]

Taking the statues down means nothing to me other than the fact it just shows how mentally weak a portion of Americans have become. Something offends you? Cancel it. It’s mainstream society these days.

The same could be said of those who put many of the statues up in the first place. Mentally weak, trying to cancel the forward movement of time

In the early 1900s American South: Don't like them uppity [African Americans] moving into town or trying to get involved? Put up a statue of a Confederate to run them off or remind them who's in charge.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

The same could be said of those who put many of the statues up in the first place. Mentally weak, trying to cancel the forward movement of time

In the early 1900s American South: Don't like them uppity [African Americans] moving into town or trying to get involved? Put up a statue of a Confederate to run them off or remind them who's in charge.

I can see your point here.

 

[hog88]

You are underestimating the federalists and the compromise of the Constitution. The states already tried to be free and independent. That experiment known as the articles of confederation failed.

The preamble, federalism and the bill of rights establish that states do have up absolute sovereignty. The states most certainly gave up certain powers when signing the constitution.

I would rather leave the slavery issue out of the discussion but since you opened the door.
Slavery is just the vehicle to prove the states no longer had absolute sovereignty. Slavery violates the Constitution. The south was willing to take over federal war supplies and leave the union over their perceived right to decide the slavery issue.

Once the south leaves the union then Lincoln could do whatever the hell he wanted to with the southern states. They left, became another nation, and were no longer afforded any Constitutional protection. He attacked after the states left not before.

Slavery didn’t violate the constitution at the time, that statement alone proves your ignorance of the subject.

 

[Weezer]

And the need to coddle your fragile sense of reality is duly noted.

Wouldn't that go both ways? Leave 'em up and you're coddling someone's "fragile sense of reality". Take 'em down and you're coddling someone else's "fragile sense of reality".

I've grown to where I don't care if they stay or if they go, but the truth is, either way you go, you're giving into someone.

 

[Weezer]

You are underestimating the federalists and the compromise of the Constitution. The states already tried to be free and independent. That experiment known as the articles of confederation failed.

The preamble, federalism and the bill of rights establish that states do have up absolute sovereignty. The states most certainly gave up certain powers when signing the constitution.

I would rather leave the slavery issue out of the discussion but since you opened the door.
Slavery is just the vehicle to prove the states no longer had absolute sovereignty. Slavery violates the Constitution. The south was willing to take over federal war supplies and leave the union over their perceived right to decide the slavery issue.

Once the south leaves the union then Lincoln could do whatever the hell he wanted to with the southern states. They left, became another nation, and were no longer afforded any Constitutional protection. He attacked after the states left not before.

Slavery was Constitutional up until the passage of the 13th Amendment.

Honestly, I think you should read more about the Constitutional Convention and how and why compromises were made. The states did not want to completely forfeit their autonomy. Again, I point to the inclusion of the 10th Amendment as an example.

You have to remember, each state had been an individual colony, founded by different groups of people, chartered by the Crown. They weren't looking to trade one overlord for another. They wanted to self-govern, but they recognized the benefit of banding together. The federal government was not meant to be what it has become.

 

[Weezer]

Slavery didn’t violate the constitution at the time, that statement alone proves your ignorance of the subject.

I think a lot of people are unaware of the actual history.

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

HaHa! A memorial for the perpetual special needs victim class.


Richmond Replaces Robert E. Lee Equestrian With 'Emancipation Monument' Just Two Weeks Later

 

[Boca Vol]

I'm just thankful that the removal of all these horrible statues have brought all of us together.

 

[utvolpj]

HaHa! A memorial for the perpetual special needs victim class.


Richmond Replaces Robert E. Lee Equestrian With 'Emancipation Monument' Just Two Weeks Later

The irony is you're going to need to specify which side you're referencing. Both love to act like whiny victims

 

[Vol Main]

And lastly, to quote our current POTUS, “I don’t like losers.”

Not tryna hurt your feelings, but word around the water cooler is, ahem, with all due respect, that you're a loser. Prolly not true at all. If you think Donald Trump is our current President, then scratch all that. Would definitely make you a loser, big time.

 

[Boca Vol]

Not tryna hurt your feelings, but word around the water cooler is, ahem, with all due respect, that you're a loser. Prolly not true at all. If you think Donald Trump is our current President, then scratch all that. Would definitely make you a loser, big time.

There is absolutely no doubt that Trump isn't our president. No way would he allow any of this crap to happen!

 

[rjd970]

I’m with the other poster that said as such - the amount of F’s I give about this issue is literally zero. Let local governments decide and move on. Everyone that doesn’t agree can get over it.