Rick Barnes discussion (merged)

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UTFanHades said:
He did have one split regular season championship here. Care to guess who we split with? I’ll give you a further hint, the same individual has 3 regular season titles and a tourney title
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Rick has a tournament title too. People talk about split titles, but the imbalanced schedule creates that. You will never have an outright title unless you play the exact same schedule.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Rick has a tournament title too. People talk about split titles, but the imbalanced schedule creates that. You will never have an outright title unless you play the exact same schedule.
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Yeah-they mentioned that previously in the thread so I didn’t list. And full credit to Rick because it was a heck of a monkey to get off our backs. Arguably his best achievement here when history is considered.
 
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So, is it possible to praise Barnes as a solid coach, decent man, and all around good guy, albeit a bit arrogant, and still feel like he has peaked?

He will have Tennessee relevant in the SEC race, and will likely qualify for the NCAAs most years, if not nearly every year. He will amass a good regular season record, and Tennessee will be ranked for most, if not all, of each season. That said, his teams will peak in late December/January, have glaring recruiting gaps (which shift a bit, but usually involve a lack of a true point guard and offensive-capable big), will look exhausted by mid February, and bow out of the NCAAs in the first weekend.

I mean, that's not a bad showing by any means, and overall our program is healthy. But I truly feel that if we want to compete for a FF appearance or even a NC, Barnes just isn't the guy.

It just seems like a lot of folks see this as binary: you are either fully in support of Barnes in every area, or you want him fired tomorrow. Kinda reminds me of the debates in the late Fulmer era.
 
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VolInNW said:
So, is it possible to praise Barnes as a solid coach, decent man, and all around good guy, albeit a bit arrogant, and still feel like he has peaked?

He will have Tennessee relevant in the SEC race, and will likely qualify for the NCAAs most years, if not nearly every year. He will amass a good regular season record, and Tennessee will be ranked for most, if not all, of each season. That said, his teams will peak in late December/January, have glaring recruiting gaps (which shift a bit, but usually involve a lack of a true point guard and offensive-capable big), will look exhausted by mid February, and bow out of the NCAAs in the first weekend.

I mean, that's not a bad showing by any means, and overall our program is healthy. But I truly feel that if we want to compete for a FF appearance or even a NC, Barnes just isn't the guy.

It just seems like a lot of folks see this as binary: you are either fully in support of Barnes in every area, or you want him fired tomorrow. Kinda reminds me of the debates in the late Fulmer era.
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Had he peaked a year ago before winning the SECT?
 
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VolInNW said:
So, is it possible to praise Barnes as a solid coach, decent man, and all around good guy, albeit a bit arrogant, and still feel like he has peaked?

He will have Tennessee relevant in the SEC race, and will likely qualify for the NCAAs most years, if not nearly every year. He will amass a good regular season record, and Tennessee will be ranked for most, if not all, of each season. That said, his teams will peak in late December/January, have glaring recruiting gaps (which shift a bit, but usually involve a lack of a true point guard and offensive-capable big), will look exhausted by mid February, and bow out of the NCAAs in the first weekend.

I mean, that's not a bad showing by any means, and overall our program is healthy. But I truly feel that if we want to compete for a FF appearance or even a NC, Barnes just isn't the guy.

It just seems like a lot of folks see this as binary: you are either fully in support of Barnes in every area, or you want him fired tomorrow. Kinda reminds me of the debates in the late Fulmer era.
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Not many coaches out there with Final Fours are their resume are going to come here.
 
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We had a final four coach already here in Bruce Pearl. If Tennessee only wins the South Carolina game going forward Barnes should be fired.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Not many coaches out there with Final Fours are their resume are going to come here.
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I think with the program as healthy as it is, you'd be surprised who we could get. That said, running Barnes off now would not be wise, but when he does leave (retirement or otherwise) we likely have one shot to keep it going. We totally blew the transition when Fulmer was fired, but then again we had utter morons running the show. I hope White is still in place, as I believe he would manage a transition very well.

Totally off topic, it blows my mind that Heupel looks so much like Chumlee from Pawn Stars that I am not sure which is the basis for your avatar. He may look like Chumlee, but he can flat out coach!!
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Had he peaked a year ago before winning the SECT?
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Heck, I wouldn't put it past him to win another SECT if things gel right. I just don't see him going far in the NCAAT. Barnes' peak is pretty darned good, in any event, which is why I don't see any reason he should be fired. I just hope he leaves while still on top of his game, and we can transition well.
 
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DowntownVol said:
Another false narrative, btw, is that Pearl came to UT when the cupboard was bare and somehow built a winner out of nothing. Absolutely not true. His first team (2005) had C.J. Watson, Chris Lofton, Dane Bradshaw, Jajuan Smith, and Major Wingate on the roster. Undersized, yes, but nothing to sneeze at.
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The fact that Buzz Peterson went 14-17 with those guys the year before (and Brandon Crump, and Scooter McFadgon) is almost unbelievable.
 
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VolInNW said:
So, is it possible to praise Barnes as a solid coach, decent man, and all around good guy, albeit a bit arrogant, and still feel like he has peaked?

He will have Tennessee relevant in the SEC race, and will likely qualify for the NCAAs most years, if not nearly every year. He will amass a good regular season record, and Tennessee will be ranked for most, if not all, of each season. That said, his teams will peak in late December/January, have glaring recruiting gaps (which shift a bit, but usually involve a lack of a true point guard and offensive-capable big), will look exhausted by mid February, and bow out of the NCAAs in the first weekend.

I mean, that's not a bad showing by any means, and overall our program is healthy. But I truly feel that if we want to compete for a FF appearance or even a NC, Barnes just isn't the guy.

It just seems like a lot of folks see this as binary: you are either fully in support of Barnes in every area, or you want him fired tomorrow. Kinda reminds me of the debates in the late Fulmer era.
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Well said. Great summation of what to expect in the Barnes era 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
 
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#3,623
Lol at the threads..... We played average for a couple games and mofos freak. I get the post season struggles Barnes teams have, however we havent seen the best yet.
 
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