Rick Barnes discussion (merged)

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Rick Barnes, in my opinion is one of the best coaches in college basketball, however, I do not see him as winning a national championship. Having been /and still a Vol lifetime I am going to make a very controversial statement. I still believe that Bruce Pearl is the best college basketball coach in America. I really do not care what anyone thinks of this statement and you can hollar all you like. I stand firm on my conviction......................UTM alum! Would not be a bit surprised if he does not win it all this year.
 
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ReelfootVol said:
Rick Barnes, in my opinion is one of the best coaches in college basketball, however, I do not see him as winning a national championship. Having been /and still a Vol lifetime I am going to make a very controversial statement. I still believe that Bruce Pearl is the best college basketball coach in America. I really do not care what anyone thinks of this statement and you can hollar all you like. I stand firm on my conviction......................UTM alum! Would not be a bit surprised if he does not win it all this year.
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He’s a good coach, but funny how people forget all the Bruce Pearl teams that did the exact same thing we’re seeing now… ugly offense that struggles unless it gets bailed out by shooters.

If he was actually the best - and anybody trusted him- he wouldn’t be at Auburn.
 
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NEO said:
I can only speak for myself but you are correct I am not a Barnes fan. I played basketball in high school and one year in college before I dropped out to start my own business. I was a 1 in HS and 2 in college and played with a guy who went to KY and then the Bulls. I have coached the local 6th grade team and was an assistant to my old school for a few years to help a long time friend. The thing is NCAAM basketball is set up just like every other major sport with a playoff system. The regular season is great but it’s not the point of the season. The point of the season is to make the playoffs/tournaments and then win it. It’s why Cinderella stories become some huge. The tournament matters. Barnes is great in record play but when it’s win or go home his teams have just not historically lived up to the seed. It’s tough because I am a realist and I know the ceiling is sweet 16 with Barnes. I love UT and want to see the Orange take down some nets. It’s never gonna happen under him. With Pearl, there was a shot. He had gotten Auburn deeper into the tourney than Barnes has at UT. Hope is a huge thing for a fan base and with Barnes I rarely have any hope he will go deep in the tournament. I also hope I am proved wrong. I would love to see this team go final four and make me eat my words. I just don’t see it happening though. But I’d love to be wrong.
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No, it's not set up like every major sport. It's not a playoff. It's a one and done tournament. Playoffs are series between those who qualify.
 
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NEO said:
I can only speak for myself but you are correct I am not a Barnes fan. I played basketball in high school and one year in college before I dropped out to start my own business. I was a 1 in HS and 2 in college and played with a guy who went to KY and then the Bulls. I have coached the local 6th grade team and was an assistant to my old school for a few years to help a long time friend. The thing is NCAAM basketball is set up just like every other major sport with a playoff system. The regular season is great but it’s not the point of the season. The point of the season is to make the playoffs/tournaments and then win it. It’s why Cinderella stories become some huge. The tournament matters. Barnes is great in record play but when it’s win or go home his teams have just not historically lived up to the seed. It’s tough because I am a realist and I know the ceiling is sweet 16 with Barnes. I love UT and want to see the Orange take down some nets. It’s never gonna happen under him. With Pearl, there was a shot. He had gotten Auburn deeper into the tourney than Barnes has at UT. Hope is a huge thing for a fan base and with Barnes I rarely have any hope he will go deep in the tournament. I also hope I am proved wrong. I would love to see this team go final four and make me eat my words. I just don’t see it happening though. But I’d love to be wrong.
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So, with Pearl there was a shot and not with CRB...interesting. First off, both coaches have the same number of E8's and rank in the top15 or so for best NCAA tournament winning % among active coaches.

Next, while at UT, both coaches have taken us to the NCAA tournament 6 times which is a feat in and of itself for UT...here is the breakdown:

First round exits: 1 each
Second round exits: 2 each
S16 exits: 2 each
E8 exits: 1 for Pearl

Seems eerily similar to me...and that's despite the important context of the unfortunate injuries we had to deal with right at tourney time to key players (e.g., Alexander, Fulky, ZZ) which played a huge factor in 3 exits...but that equates to somehow "never gonna happen" with CRB in your mind but Bruce always had a chance?

Oh, plus CRB actually won a tournament which matters and hung a banner unlike Bruce...the SEC tournament.

And, if this team manages to make an E8 or better as many analysts have predicted, CRB will have EXACTLY the same success while at UT.

Bottom line...how you arrived at this great chasm between Pearl and CRB seems quite dubious.
 
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ReelfootVol said:
Rick Barnes, in my opinion is one of the best coaches in college basketball, however, I do not see him as winning a national championship. Having been /and still a Vol lifetime I am going to make a very controversial statement. I still believe that Bruce Pearl is the best college basketball coach in America. I really do not care what anyone thinks of this statement and you can hollar all you like. I stand firm on my conviction......................UTM alum! Would not be a bit surprised if he does not win it all this year.
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Since you are in a sharing mood...what other fairy tales do you believe in?
 
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ReelfootVol said:
Rick Barnes, in my opinion is one of the best coaches in college basketball, however, I do not see him as winning a national championship. Having been /and still a Vol lifetime I am going to make a very controversial statement. I still believe that Bruce Pearl is the best college basketball coach in America. I really do not care what anyone thinks of this statement and you can hollar all you like. I stand firm on my conviction......................UTM alum! Would not be a bit surprised if he does not win it all this year.
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For all the grief Cuonzo Martin got, some of it deserved, his one trip to the tournament was as good as Barnes best trip here.

I’m not trying to make an indictment about Barnes, just thought it was interesting. Regular season there’s absolutely no comparing the two. There’s not many coaches that could’ve done for us what Rick has.
 
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volfan_89 said:
For all the grief Cuonzo Martin got, some of it deserved, his one trip to the tournament was as good as Barnes best trip here.

I’m not trying to make an indictment about Barnes, just thought it was interesting. Regular season there’s absolutely no comparing the two. There’s not many coaches that could’ve done for us what Rick has.
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People forget that that Cuonzo team was dead in the water to Iowa in Dayton before Josh Richardson caught fire for 4 straight games. Not a knock on Cuonzo, just shows how crazy the tournament can be and how one player going off can flip a whole bracket on its head.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Some people believe the regular season is just as, or even more important. Regular season success reveals the very best teams. I get the tournament influence. We had a 4, two 5s and a 9 in the Final Four last year. They weren't the 4 best teams, BUT they made it through a one and done crapshoot. A best of 3 from Sweet 16 through Final Four would change things drastically. Anything outside a 4 seed would be an anomaly in the final four
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A best of three would be interesting to see. I enjoy the regular season but it’s all about the end result- March Madness- imo.
 
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berryvol said:
People forget that that Cuonzo team was dead in the water to Iowa in Dayton before Josh Richardson caught fire for 4 straight games. Not a knock on Cuonzo, just shows how crazy the tournament can be and how one player going off can flip a whole bracket on its head.
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Oh absolutely. The tournament is crazy and players catching fire is part of what makes it special. Hopefully we can catch some this year. Us and Barnes are both due to at some point.

I just hate how streaking this team can be. And seems to be common under Barnes. That and the tournament are the only to knocks against him. Otherwise he’s a great coach and has been incredible consistent in reaching the tournament just wish he’d take us further.
 
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ReelfootVol said:
Rick Barnes, in my opinion is one of the best coaches in college basketball, however, I do not see him as winning a national championship. Having been /and still a Vol lifetime I am going to make a very controversial statement. I still believe that Bruce Pearl is the best college basketball coach in America. I really do not care what anyone thinks of this statement and you can hollar all you like. I stand firm on my conviction......................UTM alum! Would not be a bit surprised if he does not win it all this
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Best coach in the country?
 
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The sports source this morning is laying it out there, some interesting numbers give it a look.
 
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berryvol said:
People forget that that Cuonzo team was dead in the water to Iowa in Dayton before Josh Richardson caught fire for 4 straight games. Not a knock on Cuonzo, just shows how crazy the tournament can be and how one player going off can flip a whole bracket on its head.
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Issue has been our players have a habit of fizzling in March.
 
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volfan_89 said:
For all the grief Cuonzo Martin got, some of it deserved, his one trip to the tournament was as good as Barnes best trip here.

I’m not trying to make an indictment about Barnes, just thought it was interesting. Regular season there’s absolutely no comparing the two. There’s not many coaches that could’ve done for us what Rick has.
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That elite 8 team was good.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
No, it's not set up like every major sport. It's not a playoff. It's a one and done tournament. Playoffs are series between those who qualify.
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I literally said playoff/tournament. Either you didn’t read my full post or You are looking for anything to argue over now.
 
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GAVol said:
He’s a good coach, but funny how people forget all the Bruce Pearl teams that did the exact same thing we’re seeing now… ugly offense that struggles unless it gets bailed out by shooters.

If he was actually the best - and anybody trusted him- he wouldn’t be at Auburn.
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Pearl has one thing over Barnes.....an EE run that was likely made much more favorable by Ohio upsetting Georgetown. The rest of his teams usually underachieved in March.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Pearl has one thing over Barnes.....an EE run that was likely made much more favorable by Ohio upsetting Georgetown. The rest of his teams usually underachieved in March.
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Exactly… I do think Pearl overachieved with a couple of overmatched teams, but some people get a little revisionist talking about his tenure here.
 
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