Rick Barnes discussion (merged)

[JBD_Vol]

Maybe he shouldn't have thrown others under the bus in his coaching career. Lying his ass off while still at UT. Ratting on other Big Ten coaches while an assistant at Iowa. His sleaze free time was at UWM. He didn't waste any time at all serving Chuck Person up to the NCAA. One of Auburn's two best players of all time.

So we have to continue the "hold all he did in the past" against him and assume our fav coaches have always been honest (except when that one was here because we did love him then) (those in other sports too), but not say anything about that because "that is just the way it was /is" except for when the ones we do not like are being discussed. Wow! This new christianity is a trip.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

So we have to continue the "hold all he did in the past" against him and assume our fav coaches have always been honest (except when that one was here because we did love him then) (those in other sports too), but not say anything about that because "that is just the way it was /is" except for when the ones we do not like are being discussed. Wow! This new christianity is a trip.

Christianity? That you brought religion into it in an ignorant contextual manner just describes your brand of it. There's another forum here for that subject

 

[OrangeInKy]

Ok. We lost to Oklahoma St in the first round that year

Yeah, that may be when they had Travis Ford. I actually had almost forgotten that. My wife was having a baby any day at that time, it’s all a blur. Well, most of it.

 

[brockytop]

Hat tip to the Sports Source show in Knoxville, but here is definitive proof of Rick Barnes futility come NCAA tournament time. You may not like it, but these are the facts. Note his percentage of getting to a Final Four and even more troublesome, his exit percentage before the Sweet Sixteen.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Hat tip to the Sports Source show in Knoxville, but here is definitive proof of Rick Barnes futility come NCAA tournament time. You may not like it, but these are the facts. Note his percentage of getting to a Final Four and even more troublesome, his exit percentage before the Sweet Sixteen.

So Pearl has been a college basketball coach for 29 years and has only been to 12 NCAATs.

I guess the Sports Source clowns are ignoring that CRB’s percentages would be higher if his marginal teams failed to make the field.

 

[joevols89]

So Pearl has been a college basketball coach for 29 years and has only been to 12 NCAATs.

I guess the Sports Source clowns are ignoring that CRB’s percentages would be higher if his marginal teams failed to make the field.

Not hating on Barnes or taking up for Bruce here but rather meaningless when you take into account him being blackballed.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Not hating on Barnes or taking up for Bruce here but rather meaningless when you take into account him being blackballed.

It’s all part of being a head coach. Barnes practically attacked Dean Smith and was unscathed.

 

[joevols89]

It’s all part of being a head coach. Barnes practically attacked Dean Smith and was unscathed.

Sure, but for the table referenced, the numbers are what they are. What happens off the court doesn’t change anything.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Sure, but for the table referenced, the numbers are what they are. What happens off the court doesn’t change anything.

I thought that you just said what happened off the court prevented Bruce from getting to the NCAAT more than his 12 appearances.

 

[joevols89]

I thought that you just said what happened off the court prevented Bruce from getting to the NCAAT more than his 12 appearances.

The point was I don't see that as a negative. He would have more if he wasn't blackballed. The important columns on that table are the last 2. Maybe his numbers get worse if he wasn't or maybe they would be better, impossible to know.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

The point was I don't see that as a negative. He would have more if he wasn't blackballed. The important columns on that table are the last 2. Maybe his numbers get worse if he wasn't or maybe they would be better, impossible to know.

If Barnes missed the tournament early on, his percentages would be better.

The Sports Source is selecting stats and omitting the context. Then the BrockyTrolls waste no time using it as an opportunity to **** on Barnes.

BTW, BT. Enjoy Oklahoma’s NIT appearance.

 

[joevols89]

The point was I don't see that as a negative. He would have more if he wasn't blackballed. The important columns on that table are the last 2. Maybe his numbers get worse if he wasn't or maybe they would be better, impossible to know.

And honestly probably silly to include Pearl on that 700 win club chart due to a good portion of those coming from D2.

 

[joevols89]

If Barnes missed the tournament early on, his percentages would be better.

The same could probably be said for several coaches on the list.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

The same could probably be said for several coaches on the list.

It can also be said that most of them were at Blue Bloods and received Blue Blood seedings, venues, matchups, and whistles.

 

[joevols89]

It can also be said that most of them were at Blue Bloods and received Blue Blood seedings, venues, matchups, and whistles.

Yes, but they did earn it or in some cases built them up into bluebloods or near bluebloods themselves.

 

[VolGee4]

It can also be said that most of them were at Blue Bloods and received Blue Blood seedings, venues, matchups, and whistles.

Yea, the fact that Barnes is on that list is an achievement. But the Barnes success is pretty remarkable because he made the NCAAT at Providence (3 of 6) and Clemson before getting to Texas. Clemson didn’t do anything for 20 years after. Texas was not a blue blood even though they had money. He went to their first FF since the 1940’s. He doubled the number of NCAAT’s that Texas had gone to.

What’s crazy is he’s the best coach in Texas history, conservatively a top 2-3 coach in UT history, and probably a top 2 coach in Clemson history in only 4 years.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Yea, the fact that Barnes is on that list is an achievement. But the Barnes success is pretty remarkable because he made the NCAAT at Providence (3 of 6) and Clemson before getting to Texas. Clemson didn’t do anything for 20 years after. Texas was not a blue blood even though they had money. He went to their first FF since the 1940’s. He doubled the number of NCAAT’s that Texas had gone to.

What’s crazy is he’s the best coach in Texas history, conservatively a top 2-3 coach in UT history, and probably a top 2 coach in Clemson history in only 4 years.

He also started over 4x and built 5 programs. Boeheim spent his entire career in one spot. Same with K. Roy went from one blue blood to a different one.

The SS clowns that BrockyTroll is all giddy over are just spinning stats minus context to stir up ****.

 

[joevols89]

He also started over 4x and built 5 programs. Boeheim spent his entire career in one spot. Same with K. Roy went from one blue blood to a different one.

The SS clowns that BrockyTroll is all giddy over are just spinning stats minus context to stir up ****.

I think you gotta give Coach K/Boeheim/Few/Izzo credit for building what they did though. I agree on Roy Williams though.

Pitino is a different animal - the guy can coach. Then obviously guys like Huggins/Barnes took a different road and didn't land at a blueblood or build theirs up to a blueblood. Pearl (who I wouldn't put on this list due to division 2) doing his damage at 1 mediocre program and 1 terrible program.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I think you gotta give Coach K/Boeheim/Few/Izzo credit for building what they did though. I agree on Roy Williams though.

Pitino is a different animal - the guy can coach. Then obviously guys like Huggins/Barnes took a different road and didn't land at a blueblood or build theirs up to a blueblood. Pearl (who I wouldn't put on this list due to division 2) doing his damage at 1 mediocre program and 1 terrible program.

I don’t see the point in constructing yet another narrative that Barnes is a failed coach. Eff the Sports Source and Junk Bee Gone and SafeT Systems and Daniel Hood Roofing and Games and Things, etc, etc. How about celebrating that TN’s #2 seed is a rare thing for TN basketball? Instead they chose to **** stir and feed trolls like BrockyTroll (an Oklahoma fan).

 

[brockytop]

So Pearl has been a college basketball coach for 29 years and has only been to 12 NCAATs.

I guess the Sports Source clowns are ignoring that CRB’s percentages would be higher if his marginal teams failed to make the field.

Yes, this is Pearl’s 20th year a D1 head coach. He didn’t make the NCAA two years at Milwaukee along with his first three years at Auburn along with one year being ineligible and the other being the Covid year when Auburn went 25-6.

He’s been at Auburn one year longer than Barnes has been at Tennessee and has two SEC tourney titles to Barnes’ one and a Final Four whereas Barnes hasn’t been beyond the Sweet Sixteen in 15 seasons. Both have two SEC regular season titles.

 

[brockytop]

Yea, the fact that Barnes is on that list is an achievement. But the Barnes success is pretty remarkable because he made the NCAAT at Providence (3 of 6) and Clemson before getting to Texas. Clemson didn’t do anything for 20 years after. Texas was not a blue blood even though they had money. He went to their first FF since the 1940’s. He doubled the number of NCAAT’s that Texas had gone to.

What’s crazy is he’s the best coach in Texas history, conservatively a top 2-3 coach in UT history, and probably a top 2 coach in Clemson history in only 4 years.

Not getting beyond the Sweet Sixteen for 15 straight seasons at Texas and Tennessee may be Barnes greatest achievement of all.

 

[volbound1700]

can we lock this thread?

You pretty much have this thread in every message board for the respective coach of that sport (Kelley Harper has one too). It wouldn't be VolNation without one.

Firing Barnes would be one of the dumbest things Tennessee could do as a program. Are the March exits frustration? Yes, but Barnes got us the high expectations to being with. I think Barnes might be the only Tennessee coach to have a winning record over Kentucky.

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

Just like Barnes, Pearl’s initial seasons at Auburn had virtually no expectations for postseason appearances. These dumb posts using their first few years as some “more likely to fail over a tenure” argument are moronic. Neither was taking Auburn or Tennessee anywhere near the NCAAT in their first couple of seasons.

It's only dumb if you ignore the context of my response to the other poster so congrats.

And, exactly how do you explain away 2016, 2019, and all the 2nd round exits?

(Hint: You can't)

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

Same. It's amazing how many people get mad when you have positive thoughts concerning Bruce.

It's like you are not allowed to like Bruce.and Rick

Bruce did great things here...the rub is those very few posters who use Pearl to somehow denigrate the achievements of CRB (usually by making silly claims).

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

Yes, of course. The hangers are fair with the value of their facts, but the entirety of the other side is always obviously wrong with their facts.

Nice alternate reality you've created for yourself here on VN...lol.

Peral is a great coach who's made it to the F4 (tying CRB) and one of our best we ever had but he damaged our program and his legacy - please show me all these posts stating Pearl didn't do great things here.

Pearl got the E8 while here and hopefully CRB does the same or better. CRB has accomplished things Pearl never did while here (e.g., SEC tournament, rankings, etc...). CRB will be a HOF coach. These are the facts - sorry it somehow upsets you.